# Battlestar Galactica 4.19 - "Someone to Watch Over Me" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 27, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684 "2009-02-27T17:10:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/181 "2009-03-01T16:06:46Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Also forgot to mention: anyone notice that Laura turned out to be _right_ about Boomer? When did she get to be such an expert on Boomer? Laura is an expert on _women_. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/182 "2009-03-01T16:13:51Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Coulda been worse. He could have used _Mr. Roboto_… We are indeed fortunate. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/183 "2009-03-01T16:25:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > but there’s no need to think Cavil knows a damn thing about what she was doing, and only partly because she was improvising. Except for the ease with which she and Ellen escaped. Ellen mentioned it herself. Cavil wouldn’t be likely to let those two slip through his fingers. He let them go. I believe that was the implication of the episode. He obviously has a lot of faith in Boomer, and might be the only person in the universe who should. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/184 "2009-03-01T16:29:47Z")
Could be. But I thought he was just so full of himself, and so sure that he had Boomer’s mind under his complete control, that it simply didn’t register with him that she was doublecrossing him until too late. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/185 "2009-03-01T17:01:21Z")
> [@melodyharmonius](#): > > I was pissed off Helo didn’t recognize his wife - but then again - Tyrol recognized Boomer, not the others - and Tyrol being Cylon could differentiate. Oh come on, how long have the soaps been doing the “unwitting sex with the evil twin” thing? 😃 I bet now they’re wishing they’d picked Galactica to be the battlestar sacrificed at New Caprica instead of Pegasus. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/186 "2009-03-01T17:46:47Z")
> [@anu-la1979](#): > > You’re right. I must have imagined all the controversy. Well, there’s a big “controversy” in the popular media every time Robin or Superman “dies” too. As David Chase said, all the clues are there. Tony was killed. That’s why everything went black. There’s a great video on YouTube that goes through the scene shot by shot to explain it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/187 "2009-03-01T17:52:48Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I have a problem with that. Yeah, I know, fuck me and my problem, but still, if the song doesn’t matter, then it should be some generic tune composed for the show. Since they used a song recognizable to us, they owe us an explanation that makes some kind of sense. Does a playwright owe you an explanation as to why the rooms in a stage play have no ceiling and are missing a wall? ---
**Author:** ![Bob55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bob55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob55)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/188 "2009-03-01T17:59:52Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > And Laura will die first, giving Bill someone to think about as Galactica “rams” Cavil(or whatever). I’m wondering if now Galactica will \*\*jump \*\*into Cavil’s battlestar, since we saw how much damage it can cause this episode. Now that would be a way to go out! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/189 "2009-03-01T18:25:24Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Does a playwright owe you an explanation as to why the rooms in a stage play have no ceiling and are missing a wall? Totally different situation…the set is generally not designed by the playwright. You’re mixing technical production issues with storyline. By that logic, Ron Moore would have to explain why the cameras are able to capture the scenes we see. That song has been interwoven with the storyline, and needs to be explained. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/190 "2009-03-01T18:57:10Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > That song has been interwoven with the storyline, and needs to be explained. I have to disagree with you. I think it’s a dumb choice because I don’t see how it relates to the storyline, but they haven’t used the lyrics. I don’t think they intend to associate the lyrics with the storyline. It’s just what Moore was listening to over some expensive Scotch late one night. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/191 "2009-03-01T19:38:34Z")
And why aren’t they using fake names for things? I want microns as both a unit of distance and a unit of time! That’s the way real SF should work! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/192 "2009-03-01T20:44:52Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Totally different situation…the set is generally not designed by the playwright. You’re mixing technical production issues with storyline. By that logic, Ron Moore would have to explain why the cameras are able to capture the scenes we see. That song has been interwoven with the storyline, and needs to be explained. In that case, I go back to my first question. How is it they are speaking nearly exactly the same dialect of English as we are? How is it they worship gods with names from our own history? How is it they eat foods that we can recognize? Wouldn’t the plant and animal life on their planets be different? How is it that a couple of episodes ago I saw Adama writing with a pen that looks exactly like one I got from Staples a while back? Do you expect explanations for all this stuff? None of it is any different from “All Along the Watchtower.” How is it that Starbuck was playing a freaking piano? It’s very unlikely that they would come up with an instrument exactly like ours. What if they had come up with a completely new and original Final Five Cylon song and then released a recording of that song on Itunes? Would they have to explain how a song that was demonstrably written by a real person and available in a commercial recording was heard on the show? A new composition is absolutely no different from a 40-year-old composition in this context. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/193 "2009-03-01T21:04:27Z")
acsenray, I think you’re missing the point of the objection. I would like to know if the BSG universe is supposed to take place in ours or not. It’s not clear and it would be nice to know. If it is our universe, then Bob Dylan wrote “All Along the Watchtower.” It’s rather incongruent for them to say that Sam Anders wrote it. Now, if it’s in an alternate reality, maybe I could understand it, though I agree it might have made more sense for the song to be an original composition. “All Along the Watchtower” has plenty of baggage that comes along with it, associations for those of us who’ve known it for years as a Dylan song. Trying to disassociate the song from what we know of it already seems like a lot of work to make the song to just to make it recognizable. I’m sure Bear McCready is more than up to the task of making up an original song that we’d recognize as the Final Five Wake Up Song. That makes me think they picked “Watchtower” for a reason, and I’d like to know what it is. If it wasn’t picked for a reason, that would be disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/194 "2009-03-01T21:22:10Z")
The implication to me of what’s going on is that the series takes place in our universe. We humans who dwell on Earth are the 13th tribe, having forgotten all our origins from Kobol except what survived as Greek mythology. At some point in the near future, we’ll rediscover those origins and start researching them. Someone on the resurrection team will be in a classic rock cover band. They all die in the Cylon holocaust somewhere in the year 2100-ish. Nah, still doesn’t work, if for no other reason than we’d have to ignore evolution and assume humanity arose from the ancient Greeks, who were descended from the 13th-tribe asylees from Kobol. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/195 "2009-03-01T21:31:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I have to disagree with you. I think it’s a dumb choice because I don’t see how it relates to the storyline, but they haven’t used the lyrics. I don’t think they intend to associate the lyrics with the storyline. It’s just what Moore was listening to over some expensive Scotch late one night. 🙂 They did use the lyrics. Both in the song itself and with the characters themselves saying some of the lines. In the original episode - not this week’s. It’s just another example of “all this has happened before and will happen again”. It’s already been shown that Ellen is convinced they are all being manipulated by some outside force, which is also related to the music. Anders wrote the song, but this outside force probably “inspired” him with a similar song to the same force that “inspired” Dylan. It’s no weirder than all the other stuff they have that is Earth similar. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/196 "2009-03-01T22:09:38Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > They did use the lyrics. Then I stand corrected. Which episode? I’d like to watch it again since I missed something. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/197 "2009-03-01T22:19:19Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I would like to know if the BSG universe is supposed to take place in ours or not. Does _Hamlet_ take place in our universe? What about _The Lord of the Rings_? What about _Beowulf_? My bet is that you’re not going to get an answer to the question. It’s not the kind of question that serious literature bothers with. And what if they do say that it takes place in _our_ universe? What about the fact that there are several things in the show that are demonstrably impossible in real life? Then what? You’re still left with irreconcilable inconsistencies. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/198 "2009-03-01T22:25:42Z")
A link to a video containing filming from the last episode. > **[MediaFire](https://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d79179566bc18b53af924764f9977b1de04e75f6e8ebb871)** > > MediaFire is a simple to use free service that lets you put all your photos, documents, music, and video in a single place so you can access them anywhere and share them everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/199 "2009-03-01T22:42:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Then I stand corrected. Which episode? I’d like to watch it again since I missed something. It’s the one where the “Dylan 4” woke up. I think Tigh says “There must be some kinda way outta here”, Anders and Chief quote other lines…maybe even Tory gets one. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/200 "2009-03-01T22:45:37Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Does _Hamlet_ take place in our universe? What about _The Lord of the Rings_? What about _Beowulf_? FWIW, I had considered starting a thread asking if Tolkien intended for his cosmology to include the Christian Incarnation, or if it’s an “alternate theology” universe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684.md?page=11)