# Battlestar Galactica 4.19 - "Someone to Watch Over Me" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 27, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684 "2009-02-27T17:10:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/241 "2009-03-02T17:28:00Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#): > > BTW, How does Joe’s bar work? Does anyone ‘pay’ for a drink. Does Joe just run stills all day? I’d think that with limited supplies in the fleet, and folks like Kara running around, Joe would be running out of booze on a regular basis. Anyone care to fanwank a story for Joe’s bar? Excessive sewage. Fermentation. Profit! ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/242 "2009-03-02T17:37:05Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So she should kill her first bear any time now… Very nice! [sub]_Queen of the BSG Frontier_[/sub] > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Helo might have succeeded in knocking Boomer up … Maybe the Cylons don’t really have to love back to make it work? Maybe the baby’s boot image, made from mommy and daddy, is damaged if love’s IRQ is preempted or reassigned? Does anyone else have shudders after the kidnapping of Hera thinking of the end of the ‘V’ miniseries? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/243 "2009-03-02T17:40:04Z")
> [@Corner\_Case](#): > > Does anyone else have shudders after the kidnapping of Hera thinking of the end of the ‘V’ miniseries? 😛 Not until I read your post. I hate you, now. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/244 "2009-03-02T18:07:43Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#): > > BTW, How does Joe’s bar work? Does anyone ‘pay’ for a drink. Does Joe just run stills all day? I’d think that with limited supplies in the fleet, and folks like Kara running around, Joe would be running out of booze on a regular basis. Anyone care to fanwank a story for Joe’s bar? Wasn’t setting up the bar an otherwise-dropped Tyrol plotline from back in Season 3? I know that setting up the still was a Tyrol plotline from back in Season 1. They have lots of algae now to ferment for rotgut booze. _And_ Saul cleared out all his liquor – that must’ve been enough to supply the fleet for a good long while. Even with Kara drinking, too. ---
**Author:** ![Prox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@Prox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prox)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/245 "2009-03-02T18:55:51Z")
How is using “All Along the Watchtower” any different from that Phillip Glass song attributed to Starbuck’s father in the Season 2 “Valley of Darkness”? Recognizing that Tigh and co. were reciting Watchtower was one of the most mindfraking moments in the series, and a new song could not come close to having the same impact. There are many cultural parallels (fashion, literature, Greek gods) between BSG’s universe and ours. What is it about Watchtower that’s causing such a problem? Digging through the Battlestar wiki to find the name of the episode with Glass’s song, I came across this on [Starbuck’s dad’s page](http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Dreilide_Thrace): [QUOTE=Battlestar Wiki] The analog for Dreilide Thrace in the Original Series is Chameleon. Chameleons have a third eye called a parietal eye. [/quote] Kinda cool. ---
**Author:** ![Prox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@Prox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prox)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/246 "2009-03-02T19:07:25Z")
To late to edit, but what’s makes it cool is: [QUOTE=melodyharmonius] So, I googled “Dreilide” and general consensus says it means “third eye.” Interesting. [/quote] ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/247 "2009-03-02T19:09:44Z")
> [@Corner\_Case](#): > > Does anyone else have shudders after the kidnapping of Hera thinking of the end of the ‘V’ miniseries? 😛 Ever since the first mention of hybrid babies, I’ve been thinking her name would be “Elizabeth Harsesis”. It was actually a comedown to find it’s just “Hera”. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/248 "2009-03-02T20:11:27Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > The Cavilcade will show up, and the show will end with the BaseStar Galactica and the Cavilcade exchanging full-out weapons fire as the show fades to black > [@anu-la1979](#): > > I really hope not, if only for the reason that it would be a straight up cribbing of the Sopranos. Funny, I thought that would be a straight up cribbing of _Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid_ ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/249 "2009-03-02T20:30:52Z")
> [@Quercus](#): > > Funny, I thought that would be a straight up cribbing of _Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid_ How about the end of _Cross of Iron_? (Maybe we should have a thread about inconclusive and ambiguous movie endings. One of my favorite is _The Thing_.) So, three episodes left. **Lot** of unanswered questions. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/250 "2009-03-02T20:41:42Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#): > > Roslin’s use of the phrase “Pound of Flesh” in Season 2’s “The Captain’s Hand” took me out of the show too. That didn’t bother me until you mentioned it. Hrm. And I’m the guy who complained when Sisko said “cut to the chase” one time on DS9. Double hrm. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/251 "2009-03-02T20:42:48Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > Tigh: Domo arigato . . . > > Tyrol: Mr. Roboto? > > Anders: Domo? > > Torry: Domo? > > Tigh: _What the frak does that mean?_ Or they could have channeled this great classic from **Hee-Haw** : > [@](#): > > Gloom, despair & agony on me. > Deep, dark depression, excessive misery. > If it weren’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all. > Gloom, despair & agony on me. [Some ideas](http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/02/20_possible_battlestar_galactica_endings_all_of_th.php) for the end of the series–not spoilers, I hope! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/252 "2009-03-02T20:43:00Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > Maybe we should have a thread about inconclusive and ambiguous movie endings. [Ambiguous Endings](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=433654) ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/253 "2009-03-02T20:44:13Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Could they preserve technology? Given that they find a habitable planet and get rid of the Cavilcade, I don’t believe they could even build a bulldozer to clear the land to build a nuclear power plant to generate the energy for the factory to build semiconductors. They will start with zero carbon footprint and cheap solar and wind power first 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/254 "2009-03-02T21:12:06Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#): > > I’m pretty sure the Final Fivers said that Anders merely _sang_ the song for soRoslin’s use of the phrase “Pound of Flesh” in Season 2’s “The Captain’s Hand” took me out of the show too. I didn’t notice that, but it’s amusing that they put so much effort into changing the phrase “earth shaking” into some other phrase in light of that. And all the IKEA cabinets in the Tyrol Boomer projection. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/255 "2009-03-02T21:51:50Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > And I’m the guy who complained when Sisko said “cut to the chase” one time on DS9. Double hrm. Why wouldn’t Sisko use that [phrase?](http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/107300.html) Beats the hell out of “Martok and Flimflam. At North Little Rock”, or whatever that guy kept saying to Picard. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/256 "2009-03-02T21:59:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Why wouldn’t Sisko use that [phrase?](http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/107300.html) > > Beats the hell out of “Martok and Flimflam. At North Little Rock”, or whatever that guy kept saying to Picard. 🙂 Oh, I love to hate “Darmok.” It’s my favorite nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/257 "2009-03-02T22:44:01Z")
> [@Prox](#): > > There are many cultural parallels (fashion, literature, Greek gods) between BSG’s universe and ours. What is it about Watchtower that’s causing such a problem? “All Along the Watchtower” is a very well-known, popular song that many people already have personal associations with. Now, if it turns out that the BSG universe and ours are supposed to be the same, with BSG taking place in a distant future, I can buy all of these things: the same gods, language, fashion, music, etc. But why wrench a song like “AATW” out of its very firm current cultural context and place it in the BSG universe without any rationale other than the fact that it’s a well-known song, and state that it was not in fact written by Bob Dylan but some Cylon? I feel like there should be a reason for it. Others disagree, and many may be tired of discussing it, which I certainly could understand. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/258 "2009-03-02T23:59:40Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > “All Along the Watchtower” is a very well-known, popular song that many people already have personal associations with. Now, if it turns out that the BSG universe and ours are supposed to be the same, with BSG taking place in a distant future, I can buy all of these things: the same gods, language, fashion, music, etc. But why wrench a song like “AATW” out of its very firm current cultural context and place it in the BSG universe without any rationale other than the fact that it’s a well-known song, and state that it was not in fact written by Bob Dylan but some Cylon? I feel like there should be a reason for it. Others disagree, and many may be tired of discussing it, which I certainly could understand. I hear you, and it’s gnawed at me too, for lo these many moons. But, even if it’s not _really_ supposed to be that specific song, I can still understand its use artistically. The very fact that the song does have a context in our culture means that when it appeared on the show, we had a strange shock of recognition along with the characters whose worldview was suddenly changing. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/259 "2009-03-03T00:01:56Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > [Ambiguous Endings](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=433654) Well, I shoulda known we already had one. If it weren’t such an old thread I’d get in there and talk about _Phantasm_. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/260 "2009-03-03T00:32:34Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > not in fact written by Bob Dylan but some Cylon? There are many here among us Who feel that life is but a joke but uh But you and I weve been through that And this is not our fate So let us not talk falsely now It is By your command. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684.md?page=14)