# Battlestar Galactica 4.19 - "Someone to Watch Over Me" (spoilers)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [February 27, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684 "2009-02-27T17:10:58Z")
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/61 "2009-02-28T04:23:57Z")
> [@Lightray](#):
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> How the frack do you get that from this episode? All we know is that Kara or Kara’s father is “plugged into” the same thing that Hera is.
I’m not sure Piano Man was really there. Did anybody else see him besides Starbuck? Could he be a Head People?
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/62 "2009-02-28T04:30:54Z")
I’m watching Six on Burn Notice. Evile.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/63 "2009-02-28T04:31:46Z")
> [@Lightray](#):
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> Boomer is fracked, either way, of course. Madame Airlock _and_ Helo + Athena will be on her six. Toasted toaster, she is.
You think Boomer lived through that? Barring Cavil casting a 5th level cleric spell, with no known res tech available…either she pulls a Starbuck and gets a shiny new raptor, or she’s crunchy bread crumbs and scattered circuits…I think.
Yeah…major mind frakking this week. This is gonna be a gooooood BSG thread.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/64 "2009-02-28T04:32:32Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> I’m not sure Piano Man was really there. Did anybody else see him besides Starbuck? Could he be a Head People?
Piano Guy was not really there.
There was a clue last episode, when Kara asked the bartender when he got a piano, and he gave her a funny look.
No one else interacted with Piano Guy this episode.
And then, once Tory, Ellen, and Saul came up and accosted Kara – Piano Guy was suddenly out of the shot, when she’d been looking _right at him_ immediately before that.
Also, I think that _his_ sheet music may have been gone, leaving only Hera’s.
Edit: and, yeah, Boomer and Hera will have lived through that. Not only because it is necessary for the plot, but because all that happened to the Raptor was it got banged up and picked up some spin. The damage happened to Galactica from the _aftermath_ of the Raptor’s jump.
Go back and look at when the breakway tyllium ship jumped out from under a Raptor trying to land on it – the jump caused the adjacent Raptor to tumble away.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/65 "2009-02-28T04:34:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#):
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> Ron Moore sleeps well at night. 🙂
I had it at A-…thus the “an”…but I changed the grade when I gave a ding for “which Ellen this week?” and failed to change “an” to “a”…
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### Author:  [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/66 "2009-02-28T04:36:14Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> \Chief is done. I figure he’ll go the Colonial equivalent of Bud Dwyer next week. Boomer played him like a fiddle. He knows it, and that ain’t the kind of thing he can live with…
Agreed, now there’s nothing to tie him to the Galactica, he can go over to the Basestar, he’s going over in disgrace though
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> I think Rosilyn just died. Boomer’s dead. Hera’s dead. Prolly lost several redshirts.
Not sure on Rosilin, but yeah, Boomer and Hera are …toast… (sorry, sorry…) and of course when _don’t_ you lose redshirts, that’s what they’re made for…
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> Don’t think Galactica is gonna blow…not yet anyway.
She’s only Mostly Dead, mortally wounded, serious structural integrity breaches, and they probably have had a major setback to their jump ability, but at some point, she’ll have a catastrophic failure that they don’t have the resources to repair
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> Starbuck has to be some flavor of cylon, I think. That was “All Along the Watchtower” she finally pecked out, with Hera’s help, right?
Yes, that was “Watchtower” from the Season 3 ep “Crossroads”
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> Think we’re gonna be getting a little more mystical than I expected.
Dear Og I hope _not_, too much metaphysical crap already
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> Buckle up, folks. It’s gonna be a hell of a ride from here on out.
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> I give the episode an B+ overall. The end of the episode really compensated for the dragging ass pace of the start and middle.
Agreed, it started slow and boring, extending to the middle only to have a multi-shocker ending, they made it talky enough to start boring the audience, then hits us with a major whammy
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/67 "2009-02-28T04:40:09Z")
> [@Lightray](#):
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> Piano Guy was not really there.
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> There was a clue last episode, when Kara asked the bartender when he got a piano, and he gave her a funny look.
Hmmm…now that you mention it…Piano Man didn’t smoke until Starbuck mentioned the smell of tobacco on her father’s breath.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/68 "2009-02-28T04:42:04Z")
I actually wondered if _Kara_ knew what was up with Piano Guy – and just wouldn’t admit it to herself – when the only thing she took from Helo was that tape of her father’s music.
Which, presumably, had the song he’d been composing which she liked. This show can be subtle enough to do stuff like that.
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### Author:  [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/69 "2009-02-28T04:45:50Z")
The feldercarb toothpaste bit made the many hours of watching this and the original series all worth it 🙂
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/70 "2009-02-28T04:46:41Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> Hmmm…now that you mention it…Piano Man didn’t smoke until Starbuck mentioned the smell of tobacco on her father’s breath.
I’ll watch it again tomorrow. I don’t believe Ron Moore and Crowd are that sophisticated.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/71 "2009-02-28T04:48:55Z")
Hrm… read elsewhere speculation that the song which Kara accuses Piano Guy of plagerizing was [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHp9oZPqs8E).
Which I didn’t catch, but which would be awesome.
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### Author:  [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/72 "2009-02-28T05:08:05Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> If the PC guy could show up as a brain surgeon, anything’s possible.
That certainly explains the ressurections not going quite right…if only they had macs…
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### Author:  [@Prox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prox)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/73 "2009-02-28T05:33:11Z")
The Chief is screwed. No way they don’t connect Boomer’s escape to him, and no way do they believe he didn’t have anything to do with snatching Hera. He really should’ve went with Boomer. I don’t think the Cylons will forgive him for losing Hera.
Starbuck’s dad’s song being “All Along the Watchtower” looks like pretty strong proof that he’s Daniel. I guess Anders programed that one.
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### Author:  [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/74 "2009-02-28T06:03:25Z")
_IF_ it turns out that Starbuck is actually a Cylon/Human hybrid and actually predates Hera, it may explain not only her “resurrection”, but how she was, for a while, the “best \ in the fleet” in seasons 1 and 2
on rewatching the ep, it looks like the news of Hera’s and Boomer’s death have been greatly exaggerated, Boomer’s raptor jumped away after hitting Galactica’s hull…
Frakkin’ hit-and-run Toasters, she didn’t even have the decency to stop and exchange insurance info, bet she’ll have trouble getting her ToasterCare insurance policy renewed…
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### Author:  [@Bob55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob55)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/75 "2009-02-28T06:09:14Z")
Well if the series does go to hell, on the one hand I’ll understand it since the theme of the show has pretty much been about human misery, but on the other I probably would not buy the DVDs. I know that seems cheap, but after 4 seasons I want at least _something_ to end well, and it all to have meaning. A lot of this show was about destiny, purpose, and an overall plan, and if it ended badly I’m not sure I could go along with it.
So maybe they considered this when they wrote the final episodes…or maybe they’ll go the artistic “everybody dies” route, but I really hope not. Sometimes it’s ok to go the conventional happy ending route.
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### Author:  [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/76 "2009-02-28T06:33:00Z")
> [@Bob55](#):
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> So maybe they considered this when they wrote the final episodes…or maybe they’ll go the artistic “everybody dies” route, but I really hope not. Sometimes it’s ok to go the conventional happy ending route.
Since when has the re-imagined BSG ever had a “happy” ending?, TPTB love to have the characters wallow in misery, heck, the series started with the total thermonuclear genocide of the Human race and went downwards from there…
'aint no happy endings in the BSG-Verse…
…and that’s why I like it, I hate sci-fi series that take place in a squeaky clean utopia where everyone gets along and there are magical unicorns and bunnies and targs (yes, I’m looking at _YOU_ ST-TNG) or shows with liberal use of the “Reset Button” (TNG and Voy)
Give me Babylon 5, Farscape, re-imagined BSG, Doctor Who, Torchwood, heck, even Lexx, over the formulaic happy-happy-joy-joy world of the Roddenberryverse
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/77 "2009-02-28T06:35:30Z")
Well…one issue raised early on was whether humanity deserves to survive. Maybe the answer is no. I could live with that.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/78 "2009-02-28T06:43:31Z")
> [@MacTech](#):
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> _IF_ it turns out that Starbuck is actually a Cylon/Human hybrid and actually predates Hera, it may explain not only her “resurrection”, but how she was, for a while, the “best \ in the fleet” in seasons 1 and 2
But that is the problem with this hypothesis: it explains neither of these.
Kara’s return was nothing at all like the Cylon resurrections we’ve seen. She showed up out of nowhere in a spooky new Viper with no memories of how she got there, while her body meanwhile got teleported lightyears from someplace different, to Earth. Cylon tech doesn’t do that stuff.
And Hera is showing no signs of being “the best damn” anything in the fleet. She draws pictures, and has visions. Kara draws pictures. So does Ellen. And in _this_ fleet, if you’re not having visions you have to realize that you’re a secondary character and not long for this world, anyway.
Furthermore, I have faith that the writers have once again set up a too-obvious-though-it-looks-clever fakeout, as they have been wont to do before.
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### Author:  [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/79 "2009-02-28T07:42:52Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> Well…one issue raised early on was whether humanity deserves to survive. Maybe the answer is no. I could live with that.
Wait…if humanity doesn’t survive…and you live…OH MY GODS–you’re a frackin’ Cylon!!!
Marines! Airlock this toaster!
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/80 "2009-02-28T09:35:30Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> Boomer played him like a fiddle.
Actually, she played him like a _piano._ 🙂 My viewing companion and I watched the episode twice, back to back, and the deliberate thematic resonance was unmistakable. The episode certainly has a talky beginning and a slow-burn build, but on second watch, everything hangs together, and you can see how carefully the script has been constructed.
And it’s also remarkable to think back two episodes, when we were guessing that Cavil was playing Boomer, manipulating her sympathies by having her sit in on the interrogation, intending for her to help Ellen escape to the fleet, for purposes then unknown; when actually, now, it turns out that Cavil was playing _Ellen_, giving her a plausible reason to believe Boomer wanted to return to the fleet for non-nefarious purposes. You can imagine the scene with Cavil: “Okay, Boomer, here’s the deal. I’m going to bring you in while I grill Ellen. You’ll pretend to start having doubts, and when we’re ready you’ll act like you’ve lost faith in me and are betraying me. As soon as you get back to the fleet, grab Hera at your first opportunity and get back here. Got it? Good.” Heck of a reversal; I don’t think anybody saw it coming.
Now the only question is: Why does Cavil want Hera?
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