# Battlestar Galactica 4.19 - "Someone to Watch Over Me" (spoilers)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [February 27, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684 "2009-02-27T17:10:58Z")
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### Author:  [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/81 "2009-02-28T10:07:59Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> OK, which one of us was the first to call Daniel as Starbuck’s papa?
I think multiple people jumped on that after two seconds. But I don’t think that was at all suggested by this episode. At best, Papa had some connection to the magical final five supernova music.
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> I’m not sure Piano Man was really there. Did anybody else see him besides Starbuck? Could he be a Head People?
Seems like he disappeared with his music when the final five showed up. Hmmm but the piano was still there…
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> You think Boomer lived through that?
Why wouldn’t she? The raptor was spinning out of control so she FTLd right before she was going to crash into the ship. The BSG was damaged by the spatial rift, but there’s no reason the raptor would be injured by it’s own rift.
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> Hmmm…now that you mention it…Piano Man didn’t smoke until Starbuck mentioned the smell of tobacco on her father’s breath.
True, but he had a lit cigarette in the ashtray from the first scene.
Am I the only one who thinks Boomer might have been at least a little sincere? She may have had a mission to steal Hera, but she probably does love the Chief. And hey it’s even possible she stole Hera as a hostage and not as her mission.
What was up with the empty house at the end? Was it just symbolic? Or does it mean that Boomer was lying? If she truly loved the Chief, would they still have been able to project together even though she has jumped away?
I’m wondering where the other rebels are. Has the entire cylon fleet been destroyed except for the rebel and the Cavil basestars?
This episode was somewhat of a tease. The teasers made us think that we might get some real Starbuck answers and not just some odd clues.
Is Laura dead? Interesting that her fate is somehow tied to Hera’s.
Also interesting a few episodes ago - Sharon freaked out previously and killed one of the sixes for getting near Hera, but then during the mutiny she lets Caprica Six, who is the actual six that was interested in Hera, babysit.
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### Author:  [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/82 "2009-02-28T13:56:05Z")
> [@Lightray](#):
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> Hrm… read elsewhere speculation that the song which Kara accuses Piano Guy of plagerizing was [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHp9oZPqs8E).
In my opinion he was poaching off [_Clair de Lune_](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfSV_k3MhCw) like a motherfuck for most of the episode.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/83 "2009-02-28T14:06:05Z")
Kara’s father was named Dreilide. It was on the cover art of the tape she had.
Boomer may have a bun in the toaster, courtesy of Helo. That scene had to be for a purpose.
Speaking of purposes, there had to be one for Tigh mentioning seeing the dead Liam’s eyes open. Sam’s eyes are open now too. Yes, they frakkin’ \*did \*it. ☹
But a time-killing episode all the same. Yes, we already \*knew \*Starbuck’s in torment wondering who she is. We already \*knew \*Hera has mystical mind powers. We already _knew_ Cavil knew that and wanted to control her. The only revelation was Boomer’s (and every Cylon’s?) power of neuroimaging telepathy, whateverthefrak she called it.
Chief may not be done with Galactica, but he’s chastened. Men are never too old to think with the wrong head.
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### Author:  [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/84 "2009-02-28T14:08:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> The only revelation was Boomer’s (and every Cylon’s?) power of neuroimaging telepathy, whateverthefrak she called it.
Projection. We already knew about that too; Actual Six explained it to Baltar when he first went on the Basestar.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/85 "2009-02-28T14:25:45Z")
Okay, not even that then.
Boomer is far more frakked than Chief or anyone else now, btw. She screwed Cavil by taking Ellen away from him, now the fleet wants her _dead_. Plus, only the fleet can recover resurrection technology now - if she’s with Cavil, she’s as doomed as he is; it’s just a matter of time. But, this way the fleet only has to hide from him long enough to outlive him.
No amnesty for even the lowest-rank mutineers, huh? Not yet, at least. Seesm too harsh, under the circumstances.
Next week: “Islanded in a Stream of Stars”, then the closing multipart “Daybreak”. That sounds optimistic, and therefore inappropriate.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/86 "2009-02-28T14:46:07Z")
> [@Cervaise](#):
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> And it’s also remarkable to think back two episodes, when we were guessing that Cavil was playing Boomer, manipulating her sympathies by having her sit in on the interrogation
Or, simply, as Ellen told Boomer, he likes having an audience to show off to. That seems closer to what we’ve seen of him emotionally, anyway.
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> Now the only question is: Why does Cavil want Hera?
She has mad powerz. He likes power. He wants to control hers. It doesn’t have to be any deeper than that.
Did Piano Man make anyone else think of Vic Damone in the holodeck?
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### Author:  [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/87 "2009-02-28T14:53:21Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> Boomer is far more frakked than Chief or anyone else now, btw. She screwed Cavil by taking Ellen away from him, now the fleet wants her _dead_. Plus, only the fleet can recover resurrection technology now - if she’s with Cavil, she’s as doomed as he is; it’s just a matter of time. But, this way the fleet only has to hide from him long enough to outlive him.
I forecast Hera will be a bargaining chip for Cavil to gain what he wants. I presume that what he wants is the whole Resurrection research team working for him at gunpoint.
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> No amnesty for even the lowest-rank mutineers, huh? Not yet, at least. Seesm too harsh, under the circumstances.
I don’t think they said no amnesty for anyone at all… it was mentioned only that they lost some pilots, which I would expect. Fighter pilots are all officers, and the positions they hold are especially security-sensitive as well as highly symbolic. Plus, they can afford to space mutinous pilots since they gained some heavy Raider crews after the Cylon integration question was settled.
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### Author:  [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/88 "2009-02-28T14:55:56Z")
My guess is Cavil wants Hera for leverage. Being everyone’s hope for the future, she’s really the most powerful bargaining chip he could have now that earth and resurrection are gone.
I suspect the rebel cylon admiration of the final five is going to drop after this, and they’ll no longer do things like leave the decision on whether or not to leave the fleet up to the final five. Listening to them has led to Six’s lost baby (in their eyes, not in mine) and Boomer escaping with Hera.
Not sure what was up with Cheif’s projection at the end. My guess is it was a manifestation of his sense of betrayal and loss. Rather than projecting a happy, family life, he projected a scene of abandonment.
Man this episode played on my heart strings. I was all set up to feel sympathy for Boomer and root for her escape. Then, when she did, it just smashed me! This show manipulates me like Silly Putty!
I don’t think the show is going to end totally dark or totally happy-happy-joy-joy. I suspect it will end with some bright spots and a future for the human and cylon races. However, I don’t think all _characters_ will end up in a good place. Some will likely have very tragic ends that leave me sobbing like a little girl who lost her puppy. But it can’t be _all_ bad for everyone… unless Ron Moore wants to put us all on Prozac!
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### Author:  [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/89 "2009-02-28T15:05:55Z")
I think Boomer has to go down Gaeta-style, maybe with an extra teaspoonful of redemption and sympathy.
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/90 "2009-02-28T15:15:36Z")
> [@MaddyStrut](#):
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> But it can’t be _all_ bad for everyone… unless Ron Moore wants to put us all on Prozac!
I rather suspect that he does. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/91 "2009-02-28T15:35:03Z")
Everything, absolutely _everything_, was in place this episode. Even the smallest details. When Starbuck is givng the briefing and she says that Six has the color assignments and recognition signals, the Six in the front row raises her hand to inform the hyoo-mons that it’s her and not one of the identical-looking blonds in the back. Such a little thing. Three seconds that show they’re already adapting to working together.
God, I love that.
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### Author:  [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/92 "2009-02-28T15:41:20Z")
Yeah, I caught that too. It was a great little moment.
Did anyone else think that Hera’s drawing was a star chart and not music?
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### Author:  [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/93 "2009-02-28T15:54:06Z")
We’re nearly at the end of the series and we still don’t know just who or what is behind it all. Clearly there is someone or something other than humans, toaster Cylons, Earth Cylons and second-generation meatbag Cylons. I don’t think Starbuck’s father was Daniel simply because none of the second generation Cylons seem to be clued into the Watchtower music. I think he’s yet another country heard from.
Also, we still have to find out why Baltar, of all presumably non-Cylon people, has been shadowed by a _daemon_ all this time. And just what the frakin’ opera house is all about. I’m gonna’ be pissed if it turns out that millennia of human history and untold suffering and destruction, has all been so that the Lords of Kobol can recruit ONE new member- Hera.
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### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/94 "2009-02-28T15:56:14Z")
I have two things everyone should take a look at.
First, there is an interview with the writers of the episode, which the Tribune has done weekly.
[Interview with the Writers of “Someone to Watch Over Me”](http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-starbuck-boomer-someone-to-watch-over-me-.html#more)
Secondly, and even more important/interesting, is Bear McCreary’s Blog about the entire production of this episode. Instead of merely commenting on the score, he writes about the production, which he was intimately involved on(because of the musical focus of it).
[Bear McCreary’s Blog](http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1597)
Both are really interesting and add a lot to the episode. I was not surprised they originally tried to have Slick played by Bear, but am disappointed it didn’t work.
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### Author:  [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/95 "2009-02-28T16:23:17Z")
What’s this some people have mentioned about Liam’s eyes being open at some point? Liam is a dead fetus, when/how did we see this? Ultrasound?
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/96 "2009-02-28T16:35:17Z")
> [@Cosmic Relief](#):
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> Liam is a dead fetus, when/how did we see this? Ultrasound?
Cottle had to remove the body…is abort the correct term when the fetus is dead?..and Tighe said he saw the body. I don’t know if it was developed enough to have open eyes or not. [McCoy]I’m a BSG fan, not a doctor! [/McCoy]
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### Author:  [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/97 "2009-02-28T16:37:01Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> Boomer is far more frakked than Chief or anyone else now, btw. She screwed Cavil by taking Ellen away from him, now the fleet wants her _dead_.
She didn’t screw Cavil. The whole thing was a set up. Cavil sacrificed possession of Ellen to get Hera. I’m sure she’ll be welcomed back to the Cavilcade with open arms.
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### Author:  [@Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Cream_Man)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/98 "2009-02-28T16:47:52Z")
What I thought was interesting and possibly symbolic is that the dots/notes that Hera handed to Kara had 13 dots, the last of which was not coloured in like the rest. Symbolizing the 12 cylon models we know/have met and the one (Daniel) remaining?
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### Author:  [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/99 "2009-02-28T16:57:52Z")
Why did people get the impression that Boomer died and that her ship was destroyed? I didn’t, and as far as I can tell, the humans on Gallactica were under the impression that she and Hera were safely on their way to Cavil, having wreaked mega-havoc.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/100 "2009-02-28T17:36:29Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#):
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> Am I the only one who thinks Boomer might have been at least a little sincere? She may have had a mission to steal Hera, but she probably does love the Chief. And hey it’s even possible she stole Hera as a hostage and not as her mission.
Oh, no. I think Boomer was being sincere to the Chief. I think she really did feel the way she said she felt.
I also think it is not going to make one whit of a difference, now.
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> But a time-killing episode all the same. Yes, we already \*knew \*Starbuck’s in torment wondering who she is. We already \*knew \*Hera has mystical mind powers. We already _knew_ Cavil knew that and wanted to control her. The only revelation was Boomer’s (and every Cylon’s?) power of neuroimaging telepathy, whateverthefrak she called it.
Man, what?
The point of this episode was that it completely changed the status-quo. John Cavil now has Hera. Galen Tyrol is mindfracked beyond belief. Athena, Helo, Laura, and probably most of the rebel Cylons are going to be freaked the hell out.
And, the big revelation that you seem to think is necessary to each episode now: Starbuck is plugged into whatever it was that activated the Final Five. Up till now, we’ve only had people _assuming_ that was the case, and proceeding as though it were established fact.
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