### Author:  [@Ad\_Astra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ad_Astra)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/101 "2009-02-28T17:45:08Z")
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Speaking of purposes, there had to be one for Tigh mentioning seeing the dead Liam’s eyes open. Sam’s eyes are open now too. Yes, they frakkin’ did it.
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I could be wrong, but I got the impression that Tigh was talking about going in to see Sam, rather than Liam’s eyes being open. I’d have to go back and watch the scene again to make sure though.
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### Author:  [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/102 "2009-02-28T17:59:13Z")
Yes, Saul was talking about Liam’s eyes being open – hence Ellen hissing at Galen and Tory about what he was going through with his son having just died.
And, Sam’s eyes were only open in the first scene in the sickbay. When Kara goes back to see him, his eyes are closed again. Red herring.
Also forgot to mention: anyone notice that Laura turned out to be _right_ about Boomer? When did she get to be such an expert on Boomer? She didn’t really interact with her any before Adama got shot, and Boomer got Cally’d.
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### Author:  [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/103 "2009-02-28T18:15:40Z")
A question comes to mind: if Boomer is pregnant from her liaison with Helo, does that contradict the idea that the parents have to be in love for a Cylon to conceive? I wonder if this will even happen, or if we will ever get an answer about why Athena has had the only successful hybrid baby (that we know of), but I’m curious and I hope it’s addressed before the show ends.
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/104 "2009-02-28T19:01:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#):
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> Secondly, and even more important/interesting, is Bear McCreary’s Blog about the entire production of this episode. Instead of merely commenting on the score, he writes about the production, which he was intimately involved on(because of the musical focus of it).
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> [Bear McCreary’s Blog](http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1597)
This is absolutely fascinating and well worth reading. It adds a lot to what the show’s creators were thinking about and trying to do with the episode.
There’s also one interesting throwaway detail in the second part:
> [@](#):
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> \ Nankin showed me these specific scenes in the script he wanted music for and I played them out in my mind, performing score that I thought would be useful in the cutting room. It was strange, to “score” scenes that hadn’t been edited (or in some cases, even shot) yet. Supervising editor and associate producer Andy Seklir was also on set, so I was able to discuss these pieces with him as well.
>
> I performed solo piano versions of “Roslin and Adama,” Tyrol’s Theme and Starbuck’s Theme and anything else I thought might come in handy. **(And since you’re wondering, the entire Roslin and Adama subplot was cut out of the episode, so I hope you can see these scenes on the DVD set.)**
Wonder what was going on there.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/105 "2009-02-28T19:02:32Z")
After sleeping on it:
1. How much time has passed since the last episode? Starbuck’s Cag briefing seemed to imply that they’d been doing the same routine for weeks, but Ellen said something about how Tigh just lost his son.
2. The Rebel Cylons now have a seat on the council (or whatever they call it).
3. Did Caprica Six survive the miscarriage? Nothing was said about her, and I don’t think she was the Six talking to Lee, Rosilyn, Adama, et al.
4. If Piano Man was a projection/manifestation/something of Starbuck’s father, it would explain her soft girly behavior around him—and why she didn’t frak him.
5. Chief is guilty of assault & battery of a random 8, jailbreak, and could be charged with conspiracy to commit kidnapping, accessory to attempted murder, and Capital Gullibility.
6. WTF is up with Rosilyn telling Chief “you’re dismissed”? He’s not military, neither is she.
7. Looks like “how did Boomer find the fleet” is going to be left as a gaping plothole.
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/106 "2009-02-28T19:04:51Z")
Oh, and I don’t think Boomer frakked Helo because she wanted to get pregnant or because the writers wanted us to think about her maybe getting pregnant. I think Boomer frakked Helo because of jealousy: Athena succeeded in achieving virtually everything Boomer started out pursuing, but totally lost her chance at getting – a loving man, the trust of Adama, a child, everything. Boomer is lashing out at, and trying to damage, the things Athena holds precious.
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### Author:  [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/107 "2009-02-28T19:15:53Z")
> [@Cervaise](#):
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> Oh, and I don’t think Boomer frakked Helo because she wanted to get pregnant or because the writers wanted us to think about her maybe getting pregnant. I think Boomer frakked Helo because of jealousy: Athena succeeded in achieving virtually everything Boomer started out pursuing, but totally lost her chance at getting – a loving man, the trust of Adama, a child, everything. Boomer is lashing out at, and trying to damage, the things Athena holds precious.
I agree with this completely, and would add that I think Boomer is kinda evil, and enjoys frakking with people. My musing about the possibility of pregnancy is based on curiosity about this Cylon belief that love is necessary for conception, and whether or not that will ever be addressed and proven or debunked before the series ends.
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### Author:  [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/108 "2009-02-28T19:26:12Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> 1. Looks like “how did Boomer find the fleet” is going to be left as a gaping plothole.
I don’t think this is a plothole. Throughout the series we have seen that the Cylons have some ability to track the fleet. That Boomer was able to find the fleet makes me wonder if John knows exactly where they are and is tracking them from a distance to see where they are going before revealing his hand. He likely told Boomer exactly where to go.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/109 "2009-02-28T19:27:59Z")
> [@Cervaise](#):
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> Oh, and I don’t think Boomer frakked Helo because she wanted to get pregnant or because the writers wanted us to think about her maybe getting pregnant. I think Boomer frakked Helo because of jealousy: Athena succeeded in achieving virtually everything Boomer started out pursuing, but totally lost her chance at getting – a loving man, the trust of Adama, a child, everything. Boomer is lashing out at, and trying to damage, the things Athena holds precious.
My take on it is she frakked him because she was posing as Athena. Athena certainly would have wanted a goodbye frak before a lengthy away mission. Had she resisted, it might have made him suspicious…or he might have looked in the closet/locker thing where she stashed Athena.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/110 "2009-02-28T20:14:17Z")
Beware the dreaded consecutive post!
What are we supposed to believe about the _Watchtower_ song:
Bob Dylan was a space/time traveling bard and also Starbuck’s dad?
Dylan was a cylon who wrote great music but couldn’t sing?
“Dylan did not write _All Along the Watchtower_” as a shout out to debunked controversy about _Blowing in the Wind_?
Two composers on opposite sides of the galaxy wrote the same song?
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### Author:  [@gallows\_fodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallows_fodder)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/111 "2009-02-28T20:23:10Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> My take on it is she frakked him because she was posing as Athena. Athena certainly would have wanted a goodbye frak before a lengthy away mission. Had she resisted, it might have made him suspicious…or he might have looked in the closet/locker thing where she stashed Athena.
I agree. I don’t think she deliberately planned to hook up with Helo or was happy about it (maliciously or not / ecstatic moans aside) – there were a couple of moments during their conversation when she turned her face away from him and she clearly was not smiling. I think if sex with Helo been a deliberate ruse, Boomer-as-Athena would have acted completely enthusiastic, and Grace Park wouldn’t have made those acting choices.
The shot of Kara’s face when the camera reveals the piano player was in her head will go down as one of the more heartbreaking images of this show. That made me tear up. (Though it was nice to watch this show with my mother, who was a _Days of Our Lives_ addict back when Roark Critchelow played Mike Horton and was the object of my mother’s crush. :))
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/112 "2009-02-28T20:23:44Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
>
> Two composers on opposite sides of the galaxy wrote the same song?
According to the Bear Macready blog, it isn’t _All Along the Watchtower._
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/113 "2009-02-28T20:28:02Z")
I’m disappointed with Helo. Never mind that Athena should at least be cutting her hair a bit differently by now, but Helo & Athena must have worked out their own personal style of lovemaking. Ellen knew instantly Tigh had frakked someone else, and Helo should have known instantly “Athena” wasn’t doing all the special little things they always do. I know _I’d_ be able to tell my long-term lover was performing differently, and not whispering those secret little things they normally do.
Boomer is definitely jealous of everything Athena has achieved, but she could have wanted a shot at a baby too. Helo apparently has super-sperm and is the only known human male who can successfully make a kid. Maybe she figures it’s the human who has to feel genuine love.
I vote the Raptor made a successful jump. It was a cool revelation about the danger of jumping too close to another ship, but one would wonder now why Raiders weren’t jumping directly into Galactica back before they lost rez-tech.
Last week I was wondering how Cavil was going to get the FF together and convince them to help him without destroying the fleet. Now we know. Except the FF still don’t have all their memories.
Starbuck said they’ve been flying these patrols for weeks, but they still haven’t confirmed they’ve left earth’s system yet, right? They’re sending out Raptors as planet hunters. I wonder why they also aren’t sending out Raiders as planet hunters?
About Six having the color assignments and recognition signals. Her raising her hand was a nice touch but uh… “SIX??” Sorry, but the Sixs should have callsigns and name tapes on their uniforms now. It does no frakking good to call a bunch of pilots “Six.” Confuuuuusion.
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### Author:  [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/114 "2009-02-28T20:32:54Z")
It seems like people are making the unjustified (and indeed increasingly difficult) assumption that this Earth’s history is in any way eventually meant to coalesce with our Earth history. Since the discovery of Earth, I’ve come to view this as a superficially similar but deeply different universe. It makes a lot of the leaps (how are we Cylons? Is this meant to be our past or future? How did Bob Dylan turn into a Cylon?) utterly unnecessary. Yes some of the stylistic choices seem glaringly annoying even then, but they no longer offer a canonical problem.
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### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/115 "2009-02-28T20:33:00Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
>
> Two composers on opposite sides of the galaxy wrote the same song?
In one of the Tribune interviews, they stated that they had originally had a scene showing Anders writing the song on Earth. More than anything, it’s just catchy and a connection to Earth.
> [@carnivorousplant](#):
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> According to the Bear Macready blog, it isn’t _All Along the Watchtower._
I think he meant the instrumental section Kara was playing when the final five came over. He took All Along the Watchtower and added a ton to make that scene. It is All Along the Watchtower, though; just listen to it at the end of Season 3’s OST.
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### Author:  [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/116 "2009-02-28T20:35:47Z")
> [@Cervaise](#):
>
> Oh, and I don’t think Boomer frakked Helo because she wanted to get pregnant or because the writers wanted us to think about her maybe getting pregnant. I think Boomer frakked Helo because of jealousy: Athena succeeded in achieving virtually everything Boomer started out pursuing, but totally lost her chance at getting – a loving man, the trust of Adama, a child, everything. Boomer is lashing out at, and trying to damage, the things Athena holds precious.
Yup. I’m another who thinks this is the reason Boomer frakked Helo. In the beginning, she was resisting. Then she grabbed at Helo to kiss him like she was grabbing a chance to get revenge on Athena. The look she had when she pushed him away and then went towards him was just _greedy_. I do think she loves Tyrol, but she definitely wanted that revenge frak with Helo.
Sucks to be Athena or Helo right now. First Boomer beats the crap out of Athena, then she fraks Helo, then steals their child! That’s one hell of a bitch slap!
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/117 "2009-02-28T20:49:38Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
>
> 1. WTF is up with Rosilyn telling Chief “you’re dismissed”? He’s not military, neither is she.
That wasn’t a military thing, it was a President thing, and the rebel Cylons are now subject to the Colonial government, AFAICT. It’s her prerogative to dismiss anyone from her office.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/118 "2009-02-28T20:59:15Z")
> [@levdrakon](#):
>
> That wasn’t a military thing, it was a President thing, and the rebel Cylons are now subject to the Colonial government, AFAICT. It’s her prerogative to dismiss anyone from her office.
I disagree. “You’re dismissed” is specifically a military thing. A civilian would say something more like “We’re finished here” or “You can leave now” or “Get out of my office”.
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/119 "2009-02-28T21:05:12Z")
> [@Frazzled](#):
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> I don’t think this is a plothole. Throughout the series we have seen that the Cylons have some ability to track the fleet. That Boomer was able to find the fleet makes me wonder if John knows exactly where they are and is tracking them from a distance to see where they are going before revealing his hand. He likely told Boomer exactly where to go.
Isn’t the fleet still orbiting Earth? I don’t remember them jumping.
If they are, Ellen Tigh certainly knows where Earth is.
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### Author:  [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/120 "2009-02-28T21:05:49Z")
> [@Ice\_Cream\_Man](#):
>
> What I thought was interesting and possibly symbolic is that the dots/notes that Hera handed to Kara had 13 dots, the last of which was not coloured in like the rest. Symbolizing the 12 cylon models we know/have met and the one (Daniel) remaining?
Good catch. I didn’t get that, but I did call it as soon as Hera handed over the drawing (that it was musical notation, and would be the rhythm section to “All Along the Watchtower”).
Before we watched, my girlfriend asked, “Think they’ll explain anything?”
I said, “Well, if it helps, the episode title is _Fuck it, everybody’s a Cylon._”
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