# Battlestar Galactica 4.19 - "Someone to Watch Over Me" (spoilers)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [February 27, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684 "2009-02-27T17:10:58Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/121 "2009-02-28T21:09:03Z")
> [@Alessan](#):
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> Isn’t the fleet still orbiting Earth? I don’t remember them jumping.
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> If they are, Ellen Tigh certainly knows where Earth is.
Yeah, we’ve talked about that, but I don’t remember anything making it clear that they’re no longer in the vicinity of Earth.
And, we don’t know for sure if “Earth” is Earth. (Except that, if the song we’ve heard really is what it sounds like, then the Final Five, in their previous lives 2,000 years earlier, lived on near-future Earth, inhabited by Cylons who arrived by spaceship rather than humans who evolved there. Which is moronic. I don’t know.)
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/122 "2009-02-28T21:26:16Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#):
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> I can live with that. Beats “We are all Cylons, Happy, Happy, Joy Joy!” :rolleyes:
And my prediction is no matter the ending you’ll still find a way to whine about it.
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> I’m not sure Piano Man was really there. Did anybody else see him besides Starbuck? Could he be a Head People?
I replayed it and checked. Kara and Piano Man are having their duet, she gets her big sappy smile at him, then Tigh grabs her and spins her around. Piano man is nowhere to be seen.
But I don’t see why everyone is saying Boomer and Hera are dead. Boomer jumped - something unfortunate may have happened as a result (ie. not idea situation for a jump), but we have no reason to believe it results in instant death or anything.
And as for closing the flight pods, maybe there’s something (EM fields?) that keep the FTL from working from inside (or to inside) a big ship. Otherwise, who needs guns? Just send suicide ships jumping into the reactors of enemy ships.
> [@jackdavinci](#):
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> Seems like he disappeared with his music when the final five showed up. Hmmm but the piano was still there…
Yeah, the piano can’t be imaginary. Starbuck had to be playing SOMETHING for the 3/5ths to hear their song.
> [@Rubystreak](#):
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> She didn’t screw Cavil. The whole thing was a set up. Cavil sacrificed possession of Ellen to get Hera. I’m sure she’ll be welcomed back to the Cavilcade with open arms.
Another one of those that’s so blatant once we get to the end of the episode I don’t see how anyone could possibly not clearly see that it’s exactly what’s going on.
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> 1. Looks like “how did Boomer find the fleet” is going to be left as a gaping plothole.
Feel free to give one reason to even suspect that Cavil doesn’t know where the fleet is.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/123 "2009-02-28T21:27:44Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> I disagree. “You’re dismissed” is specifically a military thing. A civilian would say something more like “We’re finished here” or “You can leave now” or “Get out of my office”.
Well, Tyrol is military, so she may have chosen her words so he would understand precisely that she meant “we’re done, shut up.”
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/124 "2009-02-28T21:30:36Z")
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> Well, Tyrol is military, so she may have chosen her words so he would understand precisely that she meant “we’re done, shut up.”
What’s military speak for “I told you so, you dumbass”?
-Joe
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/125 "2009-02-28T21:34:52Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> What’s military speak for “I told you so, you dumbass”?
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> -Joe
In this case it might be, “open the airlock.” Or, possibly, “fire! Open the airlock.”
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### Author:  [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/126 "2009-02-28T21:35:03Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> What’s military speak for “I told you so, you dumbass”?
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> -Joe
You were right all along, SIR !
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### Author:  [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/127 "2009-02-28T21:41:16Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> Another one of those that’s so blatant once we get to the end of the episode I don’t see how anyone could possibly not clearly see that it’s exactly what’s going on.
It doesn’t hurt that Ellen said as much towards the end of the episode. Even she realized in retrospect that she and Boomer got away all too easily.
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### Author:  [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/128 "2009-02-28T22:06:14Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> …5) Chief is guilty of assault & battery of a random 8, jailbreak, and could be charged with conspiracy to commit kidnapping, accessory to attempted murder, and Capital Gullibility…
You left out murder and treason. He killed one of the 8s putting goo on the hull and switched her corpse with Boomer during a blackout. To the guards it looks like she’s sleeping.
1. WTF is up with Rosilyn telling Chief “you’re dismissed”? He’s not military, neither is she…
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Didn’t Adama reinstate Tyrol or is he basically a civilian contractor? As for Roslin, she’s nominally the commander-in-chief.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/129 "2009-02-28T22:08:38Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> Feel free to give one reason to even suspect that Cavil doesn’t know where the fleet is.
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> -Joe
The last known position of the fleet for Cavil would have been at the Resurection Hub. Unless he has some previously undisclosed means of tracking them, they could be anywhere. The leak in the fuel system they were using to track the fleet was repaired some time ago. Cavil knew the fleet was searching for Earth, but there’s been nothing to indicate he knows where Earth is. From Earth, the fleet could have gone anywhere—note I am in the “fleet is no longer at Earth” camp.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/130 "2009-02-28T22:15:19Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> You left out murder and treason. He killed one of the 8s putting goo on the hull and switched her corpse with Boomer during a blackout. To the guards it looks like she’s sleeping.
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> Didn’t Adama reinstate Tyrol or is he basically a civilian contractor? As for Roslin, she’s nominally the commander-in-chief.
I don’t think he killed that 8. She has a lump on her noggin, but I think she’s still alive. My understanding is that Tyrol was working as a civilian contractor…but his status hasn’t really been clarified.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/131 "2009-02-28T22:15:25Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> The last known position of the fleet for Cavil would have been at the Resurection Hub. Unless he has some previously undisclosed means of tracking them, they could be anywhere. The leak in the fuel system they were using to track the fleet was repaired some time ago. Cavil knew the fleet was searching for Earth, but there’s been nothing to indicate he knows where Earth is. From Earth, the fleet could have gone anywhere—note I am in the “fleet is no longer at Earth” camp.
Pegasus followed the Cylon fleet that was tracking Galactica. I’m assuming that the Cylons didn’t have a fuel leak. There is no reason to believe that Cavil doesn’t know where they are.
As a matter of fact, we have evidence that Cavil knows where they are since Boomer went straight there. It took her less than two days to accomplish.
So, seems to me there’s more evidence that Cavil knows where they are than evidence that he doesn’t.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/132 "2009-02-28T22:18:16Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> You left out murder and treason. He killed one of the 8s putting goo on the hull and switched her corpse with Boomer during a blackout. To the guards it looks like she’s sleeping.
Oddly enough, I think you’re right. I looked at it again, and the 8 in the bunk in the brig does look kinda dead.
Not only that, it was specifically a big crescent wrench (spanner to you Brits) that Tyrol picked up to use on her – just like Zarek used when he took the first life lost in the mutiny. There are so many kinds of betrayal in this show.
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### Author:  [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/133 "2009-02-28T22:22:03Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> Pegasus followed the Cylon fleet that was tracking Galactica. I’m assuming that the Cylons didn’t have a fuel leak. There is no reason to believe that Cavil doesn’t know where they are.
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> As a matter of fact, we have evidence that Cavil knows where they are since Boomer went straight there. It took her less than two days to accomplish.
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> So, seems to me there’s more evidence that Cavil knows where they are than evidence that he doesn’t.
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> -Joe
Unless we get more information, it sounds like a circular argument:
> [@](#):
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> How did Boomer find the fleet? That’s a plot hole.
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> No, it isn’t – we know that Cavil knows where the fleet is.
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> How do we know that?
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> Well, he sent Boomer, didn’t he?
Now, if he does know exactly where they are, why hasn’t he attacked? I’d guess it’s because of the loss of the Resurrection Hub. Cavil doesn’t want to get permanently dead.
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/134 "2009-02-28T22:32:07Z")
Okay, so Cavil has some secret means of always knowing where the fleet is. Is it he, and he alone who has this secret tracking ability? Because if I’m a rebel Cylon on the run for my life I’m pulling Adama aside and saying “uh, I really need to tell you something.”
The rebels would still know it was Cavil who always was able to find the fleet, somehow.
It makes more sense that:
[ol]
[li]Cavil can’t track the fleet[/li][li]Ellen knows where earth is[/li][li]Ellen told Boomer[/li][li]Now Boomer knows[/li][li]They’re still in the solar system[/li][li]Now Cavil knows[/li][/ol]
Cavil _could_ already know where earth is though, as he may have had access to Ellen’s memories when she rezzed. Threatening to open her brain was just part of the “snatch Hera” plan, once he realized at some point he’ll have to stop torturing the FF and rebuild rez-tech.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/135 "2009-02-28T22:52:41Z")
> [@Baldwin](#):
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> Now, if he does know exactly where they are, why hasn’t he attacked? I’d guess it’s because of the loss of the Resurrection Hub. Cavil doesn’t want to get permanently dead.
He doesn’t want to die. We’ve seen that the Cylons didn’t have the insanely overwhelming force that they seemed to early on. I don’t think they have overwhelming force (what, six or seven baseships at once at New Caprica, two of those were destroyed and then they had a civil war), and while they MIGHT win, for the first time in their “lives” they have to consider the possibility of actually dying in a fight.
Depending on what he actually wants from Hera (probably resurrection tech, but we don’t know that for sure yet) he might not have wanted to blow her up as well.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/136 "2009-02-28T23:02:10Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> And my prediction is no matter the ending you’ll still find a way to whine about it.
Are we in the pit? 🙂
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### Author:  [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/137 "2009-02-28T23:04:11Z")
> [@Lightray](#):
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> …And Hera is showing no signs of being “the best damn” anything in the fleet…
She’s only three.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/138 "2009-02-28T23:08:16Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> She’s only three.
So she should kill her first bear any time now…
😃
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/139 "2009-02-28T23:59:25Z")
Really, what all was Starbuck the “best damn” at? Being a fighter pilot and marksmanship.
Marksmanship in the cockpit should be a good crossover skill, so the fact that she’s the best shot in the cockpit makes it likely she’ll be the best shot out of one, too.
I know it’s a long-running joke, but at what else is she “best in the fleet”?
-Joe
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### Author:  [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/140 "2009-03-01T00:21:16Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> at what else is she “best in the fleet”?
Poker, drinking, and smacking superior officers come to mind. 🙂
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