# Battlestar Galactica 4.19 - "Someone to Watch Over Me" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 27, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684 "2009-02-27T17:10:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/161 "2009-03-01T03:44:20Z")
> [@anu-la1979](#): > > I really hope not, if only for the reason that it would be a straight up cribbing of the Sopranos. There’s being inspired by the writing in another series and there’s not being original enough to come up with your own fantastically crazy ending. I’d pretty much hate a world where every series ended as people waking up from a dream (Newhart) or with no resolution (Sopranos). It’s cool once, not as interesting the fifth time over. _Sopranos_ wasn’t unresolved. In any case, it’s only cribbing of _Sopranos_ if it ends with a sudden long blackout. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/162 "2009-03-01T03:47:06Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Come now, Sir, you nit pick to the extreme. That is Poetic License. 🙂 That’s my point. It’s a mistake to try to wank continuity between reality and the story. That’s not the point of the story. Does anyone wank the clocks in _Julius Caesar_? That’s just the way it is. This is literature, not fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/163 "2009-03-01T03:56:37Z")
Seriously, how did Starbuck come by a HUMVEE? Why do they have a song from our earth? Really, some similarities can be let go. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/164 "2009-03-01T04:00:42Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > That’s my point. It’s a mistake to try to wank continuity between reality and the story. Still, I wish they had used Robert Johnson’s _Me and the Devil Blues_ instead of _All Along the Watchtower._ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/165 "2009-03-01T04:05:16Z")
_Galactica_, the ship, really is a character in the story; it’ll be sad to see her go out. It’s common for officers and crewmen to have a sentimental attachment to the vessels they served on – but imagine if that ship were your home for years on end, keeping you alive in the vastness of space. A 50-year-old ship, about to be mothballed as a museum at the time of the Cylon attack; now think of her slugging it out with Baseships to protect the remnants of humanity, taking damage time and again, slamming down into the atmosphere on New Caprica . . . . a lot of the human (and Cylon) characters have been ignoble and disappointing, but not _Galactica_. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/166 "2009-03-01T04:09:51Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Really, some similarities can be let go. Well, they whack the corners of sheets of paper. How far would you take that? Object to the phone cords on Galactica being curled? The Humvee was a little much, but better than a flying Delorean, however you spell it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/167 "2009-03-01T04:48:05Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > This is a red herring. There is no secret message about Bob Dylan. There is never going to be an explanation. Just like they won’t explain about how the Colonials speak English in a form that is less than 500 years old in accents that are recognizable to us? I have a problem with that. Yeah, I know, fuck me and my problem, but still, if the song doesn’t matter, then it should be some generic tune composed for the show. Since they used a song recognizable to us, they owe us an explanation that makes some kind of sense. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/168 "2009-03-01T05:09:03Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I have a problem with that. Yeah, I know, fuck me and my problem, but still, if the song doesn’t matter, then it should be some generic tune composed for the show. Since they used a song recognizable to us, they owe us an explanation that makes some kind of sense. Baz Luhrman explained that he used familiar songs for _Moulin Rouge!_ because they were instantly recognizable to his audience. The mood of the film was reinforced when they began singing “Your Song”, because everyone was familiar with it – he wanted the cultural baggage to work for the film. Even though it makes _no_ sense, in-setting, for “Your Song” or “Roxanne” to be in 18th century Paris. Everybody recognizes “All Along the Watchtower”. Oddly enough, BSG required a song that the Final Five would find maddeningly recognizable. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/169 "2009-03-01T05:09:13Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Since they used a song recognizable to us, they owe us an explanation that makes some kind of sense. You make a very good point, but I fear Ron Moore chose _All Along the Watchtower_ for the same reason I would choose _Me and the Devil Blues,_ because he thought it was cool. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/170 "2009-03-01T05:12:23Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > BSG required a song that the Final Five would find maddeningly recognizable. Well dammit, I didn’t recognize it maddeningly or otherwise until tonight when I played my “Best of Hendrix” CD, edited the DVR to a DVD and heard the beginning chord or riff or whatever the hell it is several times. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/171 "2009-03-01T05:22:50Z")
So… you’ve been frustrated by that fracking song that you keep hearing over and over and don’t understand _why_… and now, suddenly, you recognized that it was familiar. Is that it? ---
**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/172 "2009-03-01T05:25:26Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > _Sopranos_ wasn’t unresolved. In any case, it’s only cribbing of _Sopranos_ if it ends with a sudden long blackout. You’re right. I must have imagined all the controversy. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/173 "2009-03-01T05:46:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > You make a very good point, but I fear Ron Moore chose _All Along the Watchtower_ for the same reason I would choose _Me and the Devil Blues,_ because he thought it was cool. Coulda been worse. He could have used _Mr. Roboto_… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![melodyharmonius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melodyharmonius/32/21310_2.png) [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/174 "2009-03-01T06:01:09Z")
So, I googled “Dreilide” and general consensus says it means “third eye.” Interesting. Hera was in the storage container - maybe if they get jettisoned - she could still survive? Especially since she’s sleeping and would therefore require less air? I dunno. Wouldn’t Hera recognizer her own mom? Unless she knew that it had to be? I know, I know - Boomer used to babysit her. But remember, she wasn’t happy about it. The way Hera was drawing the circle of dots reminded me of a circle of 5ths - musical note structuring tool. At least, the way it was arced made it look like the start of a circle to me - the paper she went back to after giving Starbuck her special drawing. I was pissed off Helo didn’t recognize his wife - but then again - Tyrol recognized Boomer, not the others - and Tyrol being Cylon could differentiate. Anyway - really enjoyed the episode. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/175 "2009-03-01T06:04:33Z")
I think at the least … - They’ll find a habitable planet. - Adama will go down with the ship. - Lots of humans will die. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/176 "2009-03-01T15:09:07Z")
elmwood, Yeah, I’ve been curious with all the speculation so far about Galactica going out guns-a-blazin’ at the Cavilcade no one has mentioned the obvious conclusion - the Captain (Admiral in this case) goes down with his ship. If the Galactica is going out in a blaze of glory, Bill Adama is going with her! MeanJoe ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/177 "2009-03-01T15:26:30Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > I think at the least … > > - They’ll find a habitable planet. > - Adama will go down with the ship. > - Lots of humans will die. And Laura will die first, giving Bill someone to think about as Galactica “rams” Cavil(or whatever). By the way, for the two-part, 3 hour finale, we are really going to need two threads for Battlestar. We’ll need a talkback one and a “live” one that has live spoilers for those viewing. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/178 "2009-03-01T15:55:12Z")
Various thoughts … The mutiny might have caused Roslin and Adama to declare martial law among the civvies. She might be CIC now, except that Adama is really giving the operational orders. \*Watchtower \*was apparently the song Sam was performing in an Earth coffeehouse during that attack. It might be stuck in the Five’s heads now because it was in all their heads when they died that time. Boomer’s jump did cause the CAP Raptor to crash into Galactica’s side. The ship seems to have survived only because the jump was external. Adama’s order to retract the pods seemed to have been out of a judgment that “she wouldn’t frakkin’ dare”. Helo might have succeeded in knocking Boomer up because he really was in love with the woman he really thought he was frakking. Boomer did it because she had to in order to keep up the disguise . Maybe the Cylons don’t really have to love back to make it work? All the devious, sinister, convoluted plans some of you (and very creatively too, **Cervaise** ) about the Hera plot is just unnecessary. It was just Boomer trying to save her own hide, and exposing her own lack of a strong sense of self. Look: She joined Cavil because he swayed her into embracing her own Cylonity, and he gave her definition of it at a time when she lacked it. She left him when she realized what a petulant child he really is, vaguely expecting to reconcile with the fleet. When she found out she was definitely going to be executed if she stayed with them, that left her only chance at survival as rejoining Cavil. To keep _him_ from killing her, she needed something to use as a peace offering. The location of the immobilized fleet would be nice, but the one remaining Pop Tart with all her superpowerz might be needed too - but there’s no need to think Cavil knows a damn thing about what she was doing, and only partly because she was improvising. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/179 "2009-03-01T15:56:27Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > By the way, for the two-part, 3 hour finale, we are really going to need two threads for Battlestar. We’ll need a talkback one and a “live” one that has live spoilers for those viewing. Fine, whatever, as long as there are only 3 more weeks of inane posturing about the Spoiler Rules of the Week. Frakkin’ hell, people … ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684/180 "2009-03-01T16:00:12Z")
> [@vandal](#): > > Okay, I’ve lost track of one of the Sharons. > … > I know Athena … just got pounded by Boomer Yes, that’s losing track all right. But wouldn’t that still be fun to see? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-19-someone-to-watch-over-me-spoilers/487684.md?page=10)