# Battlestar Galactica 4.21 "Daybreak" Part One **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 13, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379 "2009-03-13T23:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/81 "2009-03-15T16:59:45Z")
[quote=“Lumpy, post:37, topic:489379”] **Endings I Don’t Want to See:** [ul][li]They go back in time and found the human race on Kobol. The whole thing’s a big time loop[_]“Computer, End Program” =What a Strange Dream[_]You wanna’ find out what was going on sucka? Watch _Caprica_.The Lords of Kobol used the entire human/Cylon race over thousands of years of history to produce one new recruit, Hera. We’ve served our purpose and can all die now.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE] You forgot “Hera uses her magic Star Child powers to absorb the energy before the colony self destructs and kills everyone.” I think I have a pretty good idea how it will end: Boomer will betray Cavil and sacrifice herself to save Hera. Hybrid Anders will, at some point take control of the Galactica. Bill Adama and Roslyn and probably the Final Five go down with the Galactica. Helo and Athena will die and their last words to Lee and Kara will be “take care of Hera” Lee, Kara and Hera will end up in a Raptor as the sole survivors of the battle, at which point they will rejoin the fleet and set off to find a new beginning for a humanity now augmented by a large number of hot tall blondes an asian chicks. Note that story-wise it doesn’t matter if humanity actually has a new home at the end of the series. ---
**Author:** ![Surbey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@Surbey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surbey)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/82 "2009-03-15T17:01:11Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > He said “frakking”. It was less distinct, but definitely correct Caprican pronunciation. Yeah, listened again and he said frakking. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/83 "2009-03-15T17:08:28Z")
[Here’s](http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Podcast:The_Battlestar_Roundtable) where I got the idea that Baltar never knew Caprica Six’s given name: > [@](#): > > RDM: -He’d have known at some point, my take, here, seriously, my take is Gaius Baltar at some point realized that he did not know the name of Number Six- > > Callis: Yes. > > RDM: And at that point he was so tickled by that knowledge, and so loved the joke of it that he never bothered to find out, and then wanted to see how long he could do it without ever revealing that he didn’t know- I guess the scene where he’s in the limo with Six is supposed to be right at the beginning of their relationship, and is maybe the only time he bothered to try to get her name. It really is crazy to think you could date someone for two years without ever knowing her name, but if anyone could pull that off it’d be Baltar. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/84 "2009-03-15T17:47:53Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who was slightly jarred by hearing that. Not a problem for those of us who previously accepted that there was a Hummer dealership in Caprica City. > [@](#): > > I got a similar feeling a couple episodes ago when somebody mentions one of the civilian ships(Can’t remember the name) which is named after a specifc place on earth. Maybe the _Inchon Valley_, home ship of the PC Guy brain surgeon? > [@](#): > > And to some extent with “Hero” with the Battlestar Valkyrie, which sticks out like a sore thumb with it’s Norse Reference in a civilization dominated by Greek Myth. Or _is it_ all just myth?😃 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/85 "2009-03-15T17:56:06Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > You forgot “Hera uses her magic Star Child powers to absorb the energy before the colony self destructs and kills everyone.” And then ascends to a higher plane of existence, where she meets and eventually marries Wesley Crusher … > [@](#): > > I think I have a pretty good idea how it will end: > Boomer will betray Cavil and sacrifice herself to save Hera. Sounds good to me. > [@](#): > > Hybrid Anders will, at some point take control of the Galactica. That’s automatic whenever he’s plugged in - and he’ll probably have to be if he’s going to provide any useful battle intelligence. > [@](#): > > Bill Adama and Roslyn and probably the Final Five go down with the Galactica. Adama and Roslin yes, but the Five are still needed to recreate resurrection. Or maybe they don’t. > [@](#): > > Note that story-wise it doesn’t matter if humanity actually has a new home at the end of the series. I’ll take the bet that they do have a new home planet at the end - that they learn the (now mortal) Cylons on the colony planets and back behind the Chrome Curtain don’t care about the humans as long as they can get their immortality back, and with Cavil and his evil minions destroyed it’s safe to go back to Kobol. Where, of course, all of this can happen again … ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/86 "2009-03-15T18:04:08Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And then ascends to a higher plane of existence, where she meets and eventually marries Wesley Crusher … Sweet, bleeding Jesus, no! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/87 "2009-03-15T20:32:28Z")
I think you guys are all way off with the higher powers and mystical stuff leading to a deus ex machina. The Opera dream seems to pretty clearly foreshadow the ending to me. The Galactica, including Athena, Roslin, and Caprica, go on the rescue mission. Caprica is the one to bring Hera back to the fleet where Baltar remained. Everyone else dies. Seems pretty obvious to me, but maybe there will be a curveball. That way we will learn the meaning of the dream, though the cause will be left as a mystery. ---
**Author:** ![Offkenter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f08c70/32.png) [@Offkenter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Offkenter)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/88 "2009-03-15T22:47:05Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > So we lynch Ron Moore next Saturday at, say, noonish? You want me to get up **early** for someone who upset me? Let him wait until 3 or 4. It’ll give him time to think about what he’s done. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Offkenter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f08c70/32.png) [@Offkenter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Offkenter)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/89 "2009-03-15T22:50:21Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Nope. Adama says he has something to ask Sam (although he has Kara ask the question). Later, Hot Dog is telling others that Adama learned the location of the Colony from Anders (which they all think was fracking crazy). Then Racetrack confirms that they got the jump coordinates from a fracking Cylon when she jumps her Raptor there (Sam is the Cylon; no one knows what the frack Kara is). As I recall, Hot Dog said “Adama must have gotten the location from Anders” which I took to mean that he was inferring where the location came from. And Racetrack got her information from Hotdog. But I’m going to rewatch this episode when it shows up on [SciFi.com](http://SciFi.com) to confirm that. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/90 "2009-03-16T06:04:12Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Well, “Olympic Carrier” is an obvious one, since it’s indirectly named after a mountain on Earth. There was also a battlestar Columbia, which doesn’t fit the Greek/Roman naming convention. Columbia I can see, though it didn’t bother me as much as some of the others. Olympic carrier actually works, since Mt. Olympus was, after all, the home of the greek gods, so it doesn’t feel out of place. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/91 "2009-03-16T06:07:48Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Not a problem for those of us who previously accepted that there was a Hummer dealership in Caprica City. > > Maybe the _Inchon Valley_, home ship of the PC Guy brain surgeon? > > Or _is it_ all just myth?😃 For some reason, the hummers don’t bother me. Particularly as Galactica is more or less an aircraft carrier in space, complete with US Naval nomenclature and such. However, for some reason, Inchon Valley really feels out of place. ---
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/92 "2009-03-16T14:02:22Z")
> [@Garula](#): > > I think you guys are all way off with the higher powers and mystical stuff leading to a deus ex machina. The Opera dream seems to pretty clearly foreshadow the ending to me. The Galactica, including Athena, Roslin, and Caprica, go on the rescue mission. Caprica is the one to bring Hera back to the fleet where Baltar remained. Everyone else dies. Seems pretty obvious to me, but maybe there will be a curveball. > > That way we will learn the meaning of the dream, though the cause will be left as a mystery. This seems likely, and at least somewhat satisfying. But still, there’d better be a pretty darn good explanation as to just who or what is at work behind the scenes here, setting things up. Who switched on the four? Who cloned Kara’s ship (and Kara) and then programmed it with some magical power to pick up a signal to Earth that nothing else could detect? Is Kara going to go back in time and crash on Earth at the end or something? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/93 "2009-03-16T14:16:40Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Adama and Roslin yes, but the Five are still needed to recreate resurrection. Or maybe they don’t. > > I’ll take the bet that they do have a new home planet at the end - that they learn the (now mortal) Cylons on the colony planets and back behind the Chrome Curtain don’t care about the humans as long as they can get their immortality back, and with Cavil and his evil minions destroyed it’s safe to go back to Kobol. Where, of course, all of this can happen again … They don’t want to recreate resurrection. The logical conclusion of the story is that without resurrection, the Cylons for all intents and purposes are now “human”. The main threat to the human race will have been neutralized as all the Cylons will have either been destroyed or have alligned and integrated with the humans. The only thing left to do is for less than 40,000 humans and half a base ship worth of Cylons to find a new planet to settle on before their ships fall apart. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/94 "2009-03-16T15:25:02Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > –What meeting did Bill Adama not want to go to? Is it relevant, and if not, why was it included? Given that he was wearing a black suit, white shirt, and black tie, I’d have to assume he’s applying for a Police Lieutenant job in a large metropolitan area well south of Caprica City. He’s probably pissed because he’s gotta meet some guy with an alligator on his boat. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/95 "2009-03-16T15:46:54Z")
> [@TooSchoolforCool](#): > > Who cloned Kara’s ship (and Kara) Her Viper wasn’t exactly cloned, she came back in an _older_ model Viper, didn’t she? I noticed in this ep, when Lee came home drunk, the first shot as he entered the door focused on a small model of that (I think) old-style Viper in his house/apartment. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/96 "2009-03-16T15:59:55Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Given that he was wearing a black suit, white shirt, and black tie, I’d have to assume he’s applying for a Police Lieutenant job in a large metropolitan area well south of Caprica City. He’s probably pissed because he’s gotta meet some guy with an alligator on his boat. ROFL! He is _so_ not cut out for vice work. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/97 "2009-03-16T16:00:55Z")
> [@troub](#): > > Her Viper wasn’t exactly cloned, she came back in an _older_ model Viper, didn’t she? IIRC, it was her current model…but a brand-spanking-new copy of it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/98 "2009-03-16T16:25:16Z")
> [@TooSchoolforCool](#): > > Who switched on the four? The same people who shut down every ship’s power as soon as they arrived at Earth. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > a Police Lieutenant job When do we see Adama with his hair plucked out lamenting “How do I reach dese keeds?” For a new subject (well, if the Magical Mystery Tour aspect of the show is new): The aviation geeks among us recognized a line Sam babbled in his Magic Hot Tub: “Put out my hand and touched the face of perfection”. The end of John Gillespie Magee’s “High Flight”: _And, while with silent, lifting mind I’ve trod The high untrespassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God._ Just more mumbo jumbo, or a real hint this time? ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/99 "2009-03-16T16:33:13Z")
Well, we get proof in this episode that Cottle is the only doctor - and we again wonder why that is when so many of the council members, journalists, hairdressers\*, and telephone sanitiziers survived. \*[sub]Of course, if the hairdressers hadn’t survived all the characters wouldn’t have been so well coiffed.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379/100 "2009-03-16T17:25:02Z")
> [@Corner\_Case](#): > > Well, we get proof in this episode that Cottle is the only doctor - and we again wonder why that is when so many of the council members, journalists, hairdressers\*, and telephone sanitiziers survived. > > \*[sub]Of course, if the hairdressers hadn’t survived all the characters wouldn’t have been so well coiffed.[/sub] He’s not the only doctor - the PC guy did brain surgery on Anders a few weeks ago, and there was the doctor they arrested for euthanizing one brand of colonists last season. I think it’s just that (a) he’s a really good doctor and (b) you can never have too many doctors, unlike journalists and politicians. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-4-21-daybreak-part-one/489379.md?page=6)