# Battlestar Galactica: He That Believeth In Me - Season 4 Premiere (Open Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 4, 2008, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887 "2008-04-04T03:38:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Daerlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Daerlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daerlyn)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/81 "2008-04-05T18:17:17Z")
I am getting a very “over my dead body” vibe from Tigh and to a lesser extent the Chief, but I don’t know about Anders and Foster. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/82 "2008-04-05T18:25:59Z")
[QUOTE=Mahaloth] I see on the Battlestar Wiki, it says that, “the final four silently agree to kill themselves so they will not bring harm to a human.” Well, we all know they aren’t all going to kill themselves. I’m still not so sure they are trying to not carry weapons. [/QUOTE] I think the gun meant that “the final four silently agree to kill themselves, _if they had to,_ so they will not bring harm to a human.” In other words, Tigh putting the gun on the table was his way of saying that they may have to use this on themselves, if they find themselves about to betray the fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/83 "2008-04-05T18:58:42Z")
Maybe the table was wobbly, and Tigh was just weighing down one corner. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/84 "2008-04-05T19:02:38Z")
Or maybe he has early-onset Alzheimers. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/85 "2008-04-05T19:05:37Z")
[QUOTE=Alessan] Or maybe he has early-onset Alzheimers. [/QUOTE] His Open Firmware is corrupted and he needs a Parameter Ram reset, maybe a reinstall from the last known-good backup is in order here Now that I come to think about it, I’d imagine the Raider that scanned Blanders was simply running a copy of Norton Toaster Doctor on him… ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/86 "2008-04-05T19:06:33Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Excellent] One of the great things about that character, by the way, is how much stuff he does simply because he’s scared shitless and has no idea what he’s doing. [/QUOTE] This is what I missed most of all in season 3 - Baltar going along for the ride, because he doesn’t know what else to do, and digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. The altar to Baltar was sheer comedic genius! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/87 "2008-04-05T19:12:34Z")
[QUOTE=Terminus Est] This is what I missed most of all in season 3 - Baltar going along for the ride, because he doesn’t know what else to do, and digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. The altar to Baltar was sheer comedic genius! [/QUOTE] Baltar’s reaction to said altar was priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/88 "2008-04-05T20:19:03Z")
My favorite line of the night was “I cut myself shaving.” ---
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/89 "2008-04-05T20:35:01Z")
Opening Captions: Weird choice. We’ve known for three full seasons now that there are only twelve name-brand Toasters. Using our keen deductive reasoning to compile the information at hand, to wit, that 11 of 12 have been revealed, and that one season of the show remains, we can safely guess that the last will be revealed. I don’t think we need a reminder that one is left, especially since the real question for the audience (or at least, for me) is how the frak the final five differ from the seven we all know and love. I was blown away by the teaser. I mean, ye gods, they were in some serious shit. With the Cylons right on top of them, 20 minutes to spool up their FTLs should’ve meant extermination. “Game over”, like Tigh says in Aliens. The Cylon raider scanning Anders was nice and weird and mysterious. But from then on, I thought the first episode went a touch off the rails. The only character who underwent an emotional arc was Baltar, and he’s not the character I wanted to see to start the season. I mean, is anyone already interested in the Cult of Gaius? His parts were all well done (as mentioned, his initial reaction to the alter, and “I cut myself shaving”), but with Starbuck mysteriously come back, it seemed a more logical choice to follow Apollo around. Imagine him reasonably deciding that she’s a Cylon after his initial moment of shock, and then deciding, hell, Athena’s a robot, so why not Starbuck? And then spending the rest of the episode wondering why Starbuck won’t admit the truth about herself, and also wondering why the others are rejecting Starbuck when they’ve accepted Sharon. I mean, we’ve had Moore giving us hints about the last model, but as far as the crew is concerned, there should be practically no doubt at all. She died. She’s back. Humans can’t do that. Ergo, she is designed to heat bread and delicious breakfast pastries. There should’ve been none of this namby-pamby “Is she or isn’t she?” based on the evidence they have available. And this would’ve created some delicious tension for Lee, and for Sharon, too, when Starbuck apparently breaks the Nice Cylon Covenant at the end of the episode. So, yeah, I liked it, and boy golly, I’m glad it’s back. But their focus was just a little strange to me. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/90 "2008-04-05T20:40:14Z")
[QUOTE=Kendall Jackson] Opening Captions: Weird choice. We’ve known for three full seasons now that there are only twelve name-brand Toasters. Using our keen deductive reasoning to compile the information at hand, to wit, that 11 of 12 have been revealed, and that one season of the show remains, we can safely guess that the last will be revealed. I don’t think we need a reminder that one is left, especially since the real question for the audience (or at least, for me) is how the frak the final five differ from the seven we all know and love. [/quote] I think the opening is for new viewers. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/91 "2008-04-05T20:46:43Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] I think the opening is for new viewers. [/QUOTE] Yeah, plus viewers like me who missed a lot. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/92 "2008-04-05T20:56:31Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] …There has to be a “re-imagining” of another part of the origial series coming up, though - the Beings of Light and their Lightship. Betcha that’s who rescued Starbuck, informed her where Earth is (again, just like on the old show), magicked up a new, all-white ship for her, and sent her back as their emissary… [/QUOTE] I’ve thought for a long time that, despite his denials, RDM would revisit the “Beings of Light” and that they’d turn out to be the Lords of Kobol. Then there’s the [Last Supper](http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Last_Supper), which I’m currently using as wallpaper. I don’t like the Cult of Baltar either; RDM better be going somewhere good with this. I’m also having a hard time believing that a bunch of civilians managed to find an unused chamber like that and are all secretly living there :dubious: . ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/93 "2008-04-05T23:31:07Z")
[QUOTE=Kendall Jackson] I mean, we’ve had Moore giving us hints about the last model, but as far as the crew is concerned, there should be practically no doubt at all. She died. She’s back. Humans can’t do that. Ergo, she is designed to heat bread and delicious breakfast pastries. There should’ve been none of this namby-pamby “Is she or isn’t she?” based on the evidence they have available. And this would’ve created some delicious tension for Lee, and for Sharon, too, when Starbuck apparently breaks the Nice Cylon Covenant at the end of the episode. [/QUOTE] Nah–I think that she’s Something Different. Just as the oracles have visions/dreams and (presumably) aren’t Cylons. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/94 "2008-04-05T23:38:02Z")
Starbuck is special. All the Cylons know it. They’re allowed to think about it. They’re programmed not to think about the final five. Expect for the Centurions. But they’re getting lobotomized. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/95 "2008-04-06T00:17:11Z")
[QUOTE=alphaboi867] I’m also having a hard time believing that a bunch of civilians managed to find an unused chamber like that and are all secretly living there :dubious: . [/QUOTE] Maybe it’s the chamber that has been vacant since Sheriff Apollo cleaned up the “Black Market”. 😃 Was anyone else looking for the figurine of Ganesha on the Baltar Altar? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/96 "2008-04-06T00:31:38Z")
I, for one, like the Cult of Baltar storyline. The comedic possibilities are endless. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/97 "2008-04-06T00:35:57Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Was anyone else looking for the figurine of Ganesha on the Baltar Altar? [/QUOTE] Subconsciously. Thanks, my life is complete. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MMI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@MMI](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MMI)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/98 "2008-04-06T02:31:23Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Their computers aren’t networked with other systems. The best Trekian excuse I can come up with from the description is that the newer ships used some wi-fi for their systems to communicate and the Cylons took advantage of that to hack into their systems. 🙂 [/QUOTE] The Cylons didn’t need their wi-fu. All colonial fleet ships were refit with a software upgrade which contained a backdoor for the Cylons to disable their systems. The systems themselves were fine, once the software was fixed (witness the Pegasus, or any modern viper after the initial attack). Galactica and her old school vipers were being decommissioned - a refit for her was throwing money away (her modern vipers which were launched got slaughtered). Pegasus was in the process of receiving the upgrades but work was not complete. No treknobabble required. The Cylons had a fifth - err sixth column at work. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/99 "2008-04-06T03:22:46Z")
[QUOTE=MMI] The systems themselves were fine, once the software was fixed Galactica and her old school vipers were being decommissioned - a refit for her was throwing money away [/QUOTE] When Galactica networks computers to calculate a long jump, the Cylons successfully infiltrate her systems. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887/100 "2008-04-06T03:49:51Z")
[QUOTE=alphaboi867] I’ve thought for a long time that, despite his denials, RDM would revisit the “Beings of Light” and that they’d turn out to be the Lords of Kobol. Then there’s the [Last Supper](http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Last_Supper), which I’m currently using as wallpaper. I don’t like the Cult of Baltar either; RDM better be going somewhere good with this. I’m also having a hard time believing that a bunch of civilians managed to find an unused chamber like that and are all secretly living there :dubious: . [/QUOTE] Speaking of that picture, Ron Moore said that the Final Cylon was not among the characters there, so the Rosalyn, Starbuck, Adama, and Baltar theories need to stop getting traction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-he-that-believeth-in-me-season-4-premiere-open-spoilers/443887.md?page=6)