# Battlestar Galactica: Razor (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 25, 2007, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652 "2007-11-25T01:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/1 "2007-11-25T01:09:51Z")
After months of waiting **Battlestar Galactica: Razor** starts in less than an hour on SciFi! šŸ™‚ Iā€™ve resisted the temptation to download that leaked copy. Iā€™ve also seen very few of the clips SciFi is showing since _nothing_ is going to get me to sit through another hour of **Flash Gordon** and thereā€™s very little on SciFi that I watch now. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/2 "2007-11-25T02:24:00Z")
Well, itā€™s off to a good start, nice agressive opening two annoyances that kindaā€™ pull me out of the momentā€¦ the knife used in the opening is a standard Buck [Koji](http://www.buckknives.com/catalog/detail/638/238) (nice blade, BTW, very well made) the door opening sound is the standard Starfleet Holodeck door sound minus the ā€œwhirr-hissā€ at the end ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/3 "2007-11-25T02:24:40Z")
Iā€™m glad Iā€™m not the only one to REFUSE to watch Flash Gordon just to see the Razor teasers! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/4 "2007-11-25T02:36:24Z")
I only watched the Flashback trailers online, Flash Gordon, sorry, not a fan, it doesnā€™t even merit a Rifftrax Iā€™m hoping to see more Classic TOS BSG stuff than was in the flashbacks, some more Classic BaseStars, Centurions and Raiders Itā€™d be nice to hear that flat, metallic, emotionless ā€œBy your commandā€ again ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/5 "2007-11-25T02:36:55Z")
Is it just me or is Cainā€™s hair darker? I like the ā€œfuturisticā€ touchs on Pegasus lacking on Galactica. I missed ā€œGinaā€'s real name, what was it? ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/6 "2007-11-25T02:48:14Z")
Frak, I forgot how _cold_ Cain could be, gunning down her XO for failure to comply with orders Interesting plot twist with Gina and Cain being lovers, kindaā€™ explains the hatred she displayed for her in the Resurrection Ship episodes ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/7 "2007-11-25T03:02:49Z")
[QUOTE=SHAKES] Iā€™m glad Iā€™m not the only one to REFUSE to watch Flash Gordon just to see the Razor teasers! šŸ™‚ [/QUOTE] You are not alone. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/8 "2007-11-25T03:06:57Z")
[QUOTE=MacTech] Interesting plot twist with Gina and Cain being lovers, [/QUOTE] And a parallel with Baltar and Six. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/9 "2007-11-25T03:23:22Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] And a parallel with Baltar and Six. [/QUOTE] Neither of home it seems are in Razor. They even cut off before his voice came on wireless. Nice choice on the actor playing young Adama. It wouldā€™ve looked stupid to have Bamber play him. The actor playing Cainā€™s XO played Rhade on **Andromeda** , didnā€™t he? ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/10 "2007-11-25T03:30:56Z")
Yaay!, an interior shot of a TOS Raider and the infamous ā€œBYCā€ line, complete with gold ā€œCommandā€ Centurion ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/11 "2007-11-25T03:31:31Z")
[QUOTE=MacTech] I only watched the Flashback trailers online, Flash Gordon, sorry, not a fan, it doesnā€™t even merit a Rifftrax Iā€™m hoping to see more Classic TOS BSG stuff than was in the flashbacks, some more Classic BaseStars, Centurions and Raiders Itā€™d be nice to hear that flat, metallic, emotionless ā€œBy your commandā€ again [/QUOTE] Heh, You got your wish. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/12 "2007-11-25T03:37:20Z")
[QUOTE=MacTech] Yaay!, an interior shot of a TOS Raider and the infamous ā€œBYCā€ line, complete with gold ā€œCommandā€ Centurion [/QUOTE] It was nice, but looked too CGI. The galley exchange between Kara and Shaw was cool, though for a moment I thought she and Kara were going to share a needle :eek: ! ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/13 "2007-11-25T03:46:14Z")
Yes, far too digital, but a nice touch nonetheless so, the XO of Peg was a Toaster too (the older guy), wonder if heā€™s the Fifth Cylon? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/14 "2007-11-25T03:55:12Z")
[QUOTE=MacTech] Yes, far too digital, but a nice touch nonetheless so, the XO of Peg was a Toaster too (the older guy), wonder if heā€™s the Fifth Cylon? [/QUOTE] No, theyā€™re too different actors. The Hybrid looks older than Fisk Heā€™s also coherent, unlike the ā€œmodernā€ Hybrids weā€™ve seen before. What did the Hybrid mean when he said ā€œto my children I am a godā€. Who are his children? The classic models who logically mustā€™ve created him or the humanoid Cylons who deemed him obsolete and wanted him eliminated? ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/15 "2007-11-25T04:03:27Z")
[QUOTE=alphaboi867] No, theyā€™re too different actors. The Hybrid looks older than Fisk Heā€™s also coherent, unlike the ā€œmodernā€ Hybrids weā€™ve seen before. What did the Hybrid mean when he said ā€œto my children I am a godā€. Who are his children? The classic models who logically mustā€™ve created him or the humanoid Cylons who deemed him obsolete and wanted him eliminated? [/QUOTE] Good point, Hybrid Rev. 1 was definitely more coherent then the Rev. 2 model, after I posted the above, I realized the two actors were different, Rev. 1 Hybrid clearly looks older hopefully theyā€™ll replay Razor after Bloodrayne, it merits a second viewing ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/16 "2007-11-25T04:05:39Z")
Holy Frak - Cainā€™s musing about how Helena (is that right?) must be vulnerable to pain, degradation and shame, and then ordering Thorne to be ā€œcreativeā€ - that was the coldest, scariest thing Iā€™ve heard on this show. Well, maybe a toss-up between that and the order to shoot the families. This was the good stuff - I do wish, though, that weā€™d gotten to see some ā€œprivate timeā€ with Cain and Helena. Not just cause it wouldā€™ve been hot (though that too, of course) - thatā€™s the sort of relationship Iā€™d have liked to have seen fleshed out a bit more. Cain was no Baltar - there had to have been more to it then, ā€œhey, Iā€™m a hot humanoid Cylon - letā€™s frak!ā€ ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/17 "2007-11-25T04:10:46Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Excellent] Holy Frak - Cainā€™s musing about how Helena (is that right?)ā€¦ [/QUOTE] Helena is Cainā€™s first name. That particular Six was named Gina Iverre. What the hell was up with those Quiznos had pointing how Cain and Gina were lovers and Adama discovered the Hybrid experiments? šŸ˜• ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/18 "2007-11-25T04:18:55Z")
Just when you thought that BSG couldnā€™t find a hotter woman to put on the show, we get Major Shaw. Iā€™m a straight woman but there was no denying, she was beautiful. Ice cold, though. The actress did a good job. [An interview with Stephanie Jacobsen.](http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/456935/getting_razor_sharp_with_stephanie.html) [QUOTE=Mr. Excellent] Holy Frak - Cainā€™s musing about how Helena (is that right?) [/QUOTE] Itā€™s Gina, the same Gina who nukes Cloud 9 later, thanks to our favorite race traitor, Gaius Baltar. Helena was Cainā€™s first name. Did everyone get those Quiznoā€™s commercials on their viewing? This one said, ā€œIt was revealed that Gina Inviere and Admiral Cain were lovers. Brought to you by Quiznoā€™sā€¦mmm-mmm good!ā€ Or something to that effect šŸ˜› What did people make of the hybrid guyā€™s prediction about Starbuck? Sheā€™s the harbinger of the apocalypse, she will lead the human race to its end? WTF? Any theories as to what that meant? New season will be in March, apparently. Canā€™t wait. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/19 "2007-11-25T04:34:27Z")
Young Adama was _perfectly_ cast ā€“ looked like Jamie Bamber, talked like James Olmos! The POV character justā€¦ didnā€™t inspire anything. Not disinterest because it was obvious she was gonna die, just disinterest because she wasnā€™t interesting. Realistic portrayal of emotional disengagement because of that level of trauma, maybe, but needed something more to make her sympathetic. Caine, on the other hand, came off as even _more_ evil than she had been before. No, not because of the Gina rape command ā€“ because she cold-bloodedly shot her XO who was apparently close enough that his kids wanted to see her, _after_ sheā€™d indicated that she wasnā€™t going to do what heā€™d just questioned her about. Frakkinā€™ off her rocker. Nice touch calling back to prior plot points like the Scylla, the no-abortions exec order, etc. The CGI of the old school Centurions was just pants. They looked _just fine_ in the original series as guys-in-suits, theyā€™d been _shown_ in the miniseries as the guys-in-suits modelā€¦ why, oh why, didnā€™t they leave them as the guys-in-suits and leave their CGI budget for stuff they do good? Like space battles?! The utterly bizarre Quiznos blips seem to have been part of some cell-in or online contest. They were weird, and preceeded that insanely annoying Quiznos commercial where they call their shit ā€œsammiesā€, and so inspire only thoughts of homicide in me. However, the GLAAD commercial at the end was kinda cool hearing Jamie Bamberā€™s real accent ā€“ after Hornblower, Band of Brothers, and Galactica it was kind of startling. Although I didnā€™t recognize half the other guys. ---
**Author:** ![Strinka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strinka/32/512_2.png) [@Strinka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strinka)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652/20 "2007-11-25T05:05:33Z")
Starbuck better not be the last Cylon. Theyā€™ve hinted at that way too much, itā€™d be too obvious. They need to do something really surprising. [QUOTE=alphaboi867] What did the Hybrid mean when he said ā€œto my children I am a godā€. Who are his children? The classic models who logically mustā€™ve created him or the humanoid Cylons who deemed him obsolete and wanted him eliminated? [/QUOTE] My brother thought he might be referring to modern Cylons. That heā€™s the monotheistic god that they always refer to. Iā€™m not sure about the wanting to destroy him part. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-razor-open-spoilers/427652.md?page=2)