# Battlestar Galactica Tonight! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 9, 2003, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811 "2003-12-09T00:57:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/121 "2003-12-10T19:52:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* > Have we figured out yet who left Adama the memo about there only being 12 cylon models? I’m guessing Baltar. Who else would? > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by John Mace_ > I absolutely agree. The understated drum beat score was original and still good at building tension. I think we’ve all seen enough battle scenes with overpowering musical scores-- why do that again?? EXACTLY… if they were going to do that, you mind as well have one lone fighter hit some weak point on the ship, have the pilot emit a YEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAWWW!!! and have the Cylons explode with a great big ring of fiery plasma… I did notice a disturbing lack of 1920’s Style Death Rays though. ---
**Author:** ![Etherman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Etherman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Etherman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/122 "2003-12-10T20:24:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by levdrakon \* > \*\*Have we figured out yet who left Adama the memo about there only being 12 cylon models? We’ve got Boomer, Hot Babe, the stowaway guy and the PR guy. If we count the old toaster style and the new upgraded toasters, that’s six. Do the cylon attack ships count as a model? Then we have seven. I wonder if the little kid hanging out with Boomer could be one? > \*\* I guess I thought the toasters didn’t count, and it was 12 human like ones. From the scene on the station at the beginning, and the one at the end where they all meet, I inferred that they (the human like ones) are the leaders, and the toasters were just the “grunts” as it were. Also is hot babe in Baltar’s head, like some form of implant or telepathy, or is he just imagining her? If he is imagining her, how is he getting the extra information, i/e the Cylon bug thingy on the bridge? _finagle_ I think the “red line” is the edge of explored space, I got the impression they were very isolationist, and had sort of “hunkered down” after the last war, hence the fact that they had no intelligence what so ever on the Cylons. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/123 "2003-12-10T21:04:00Z")
The fembot implanted a chip in Baltar’s head, containing her entire personality and memories. She can appear to him whenever she wants. I want my frackin’ series. NOW, people. Sign those contracts. ---
**Author:** ![Kilt-wearin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kilt-wearin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilt-wearin_man)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/124 "2003-12-10T21:40:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elmwood \* > \*\*\* Did any timeline ever consider evidence of human evolution on Earth, challenging the BG universe’s “humans came from Kobol” premise? > > - What happened to the humans left in the Colonies? Enslaved? Killed? > > - Why did the Cylons want to wipe out humanity, anyhow? If they hated humans for creating and enslaving them, why not just go someplace far, far away and stay there? > > - Was the PR guy a “sleeper” who finally became aware of his Cylon-ness after encountering the other Cylons, or was he a Cylon all along who tried to do a very convinving job of proclaiming his innocence? \*\* I’ll just tackle this handful of questions… Origin of humanity? Addressed at the beginning of every episode of the original series: “There are those who believe… that life here… began out there. Far across the universe. With tribes of humans… who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians… or the Toltecs… or the Mayans… that they may have been the architects of the Great Pyramids… or the lost civilizations of Lemuria… or Atlantis… Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man… who even now fight to survive… somewhere beyond the heavens” The humans left in the Colonies? Toast. In the pilot episode for the original series it was stated a couple of times that the purpose of the attack was to destroy humanity. At one point Baltar asks a Cylon what his orders regarding humans are. The reply? “Extermination.” Why were the Cylons so pissy? Well, in the original, they were not a creation of humanity. In one episode, Boxey asks his step-father Apollo the same question (“Why do the Cylons want to kill us?”) and the answer is that the Cylons have a history of either destroying or enslaving any race they encounter that is not exactly like theirs. Humanity apparently doesn’t take kindly to being enslaved, so a thousand-year war was started. PR guy? No such character or situation existed on the original show. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/125 "2003-12-10T22:21:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by levdrakon \* > \*\* > > Anyway, why does Number Six apparently have a thing for Baltar and why is she helping him? \*\* I think there is some adolescent “sex is evil” Freudian thing going on. Baltar “sees” her in his head and talks to her, like the ID or Ego. She is around when he decides to frame the guy, when he chose not to steal no. 47 from the woman, like consulting his evil side, Anyway, perhaps she stuck an implant up his nose while he was asleep and she talks to his brain by electronics. They’d have to be FTL and you’d figure she could act as a spy if she chose. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/126 "2003-12-10T22:27:54Z")
I wonder if Baltar is unknowingly a cylon himself. Remember the big nuke scene where the fembot seemingly protects him? Perhaps the cylons actually had a Baltar-bot body ready and took the opportunity to “download” his personality from his fatally damaged but not yet dead body after the nuclear blast. Now he thinks he is rooting out cylong agents, which is just fine by the cylons because as they are expelled from the fleet they deliver intelligence to the following cylons! The image of the fembot is just some programming that makes sure he doesn’t do anything they don’t want him to do. Just a thought … ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/127 "2003-12-10T22:46:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Long Road \* > \*\*I had a different take on the baby scene. After a bit of thought, I think it was meant to be an act of kindness in a machine brain sort of way. When the baby is crying, she mentions how in a few hours there will be nothing to cry about. Then, when the mother is away, does the job. She figures the baby is going to die in the attack so a quick snap and it won’t have to suffer. > > Having watched the entire original BSG and BSG 1980(argh, that sucked), I find this one much better. In the original, the government was made out to be a bunch of peace loving hippie idiots. They forced the Battlestars to assemble at the peace ceremony over the objections of the military. Even after almost the entire fleet and the colonies were destroyed because of their stupidity, they spent the rest of the series trying to get Adama to make bad decisions, constantly giving him grief. The message really boiled down to, Military smart, civilian government stupid. In this one, neither the government or military is at fault. They just get blind-sided by the Cylons in a sneak attack. If anything, the military is made out a bit badly in the new one as the President is trying to save everyone while the military is intent on going to fight a lost cause. > > Man, you’ve got real issues with women. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/128 "2003-12-10T22:52:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Long Road \* > \*\*I had a different take on the baby scene. After a bit of thought, I think it was meant to be an act of kindness in a machine brain sort of way. When the baby is crying, she mentions how in a few hours there will be nothing to cry about. Then, when the mother is away, does the job. She figures the baby is going to die in the attack so a quick snap and it won’t have to suffer. > > Having watched the entire original BSG and BSG 1980(argh, that sucked), I find this one much better. In the original, the government was made out to be a bunch of peace loving hippie idiots. They forced the Battlestars to assemble at the peace ceremony over the objections of the military. Even after almost the entire fleet and the colonies were destroyed because of their stupidity, they spent the rest of the series trying to get Adama to make bad decisions, constantly giving him grief. The message really boiled down to, Military smart, civilian government stupid. In this one, neither the government or military is at fault. They just get blind-sided by the Cylons in a sneak attack. If anything, the military is made out a bit badly in the new one as the President is trying to save everyone while the military is intent on going to fight a lost cause. > > Man, you’ve got real issues with women. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/129 "2003-12-10T22:55:36Z")
What the hell was that??? I didn’t even post anything! Man, the hamsters must be on serious drugs. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/130 "2003-12-11T01:21:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ponder Stibbons \* > \*\*I wonder if Baltar is unknowingly a cylon himself. Remember the big nuke scene where the fembot seemingly protects him? Perhaps the cylons actually had a Baltar-bot body ready and took the opportunity to “download” his personality from his fatally damaged but not yet dead body after the nuclear blast. Now he thinks he is rooting out cylong agents, which is just fine by the cylons because as they are expelled from the fleet they deliver intelligence to the following cylons! The image of the fembot is just some programming that makes sure he doesn’t do anything they don’t want him to do. > > Just a thought … \*\* Good thought. At some point later, it is revealed that there is actually a 7th version of Cylon, and he’s unique. Of course, how they’d disguise the fact that the most renowned scientist in the universe had no trace of a childhood…? Did anyone notice that the countdown to “jump” must be in some weird time reference-- each BG second takes about 3 earth seconds. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/131 "2003-12-11T02:52:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eats\_Crayons \* > \*\*What the hell was that??? > > I didn’t even post anything! > > Man, the hamsters must be on serious drugs. \*\* But, still, I thank you for quoting me twice! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/132 "2003-12-11T02:59:06Z")
Did anyone else get the last line in the show made by the Boomer-bot, “by your command”? While I don’t know whom it was directed to, it was a small but nice nod to the original series. The part where the human fleet left the STL ships behind was exceedingly well done. In the original series, one of the hero pilots would have found a way to divert the Cylon attack and save everyone. In the MS, sacrifices have to be made. The part where the other ship commanders were yelling at them things such as,“I hope you people rot in hell for this” was excellent TV. OK, my one real complaint about the MS. Why did they feel the need to have us watch Edward James Olmos suck up noodles for 20 seconds? I watched BSG to see some good sci-fi, not disgusting-sucking-noodles-into-your-face-fi. Who was the writer who thought that was a good idea? “Oh I know what will cap it off, let’s have Adama suck up a bunch of noodles!” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/133 "2003-12-11T03:32:28Z")
That ain’t much to complain about, Long. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/134 "2003-12-11T08:28:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Long Road \* > **Did anyone else get the last line in the show made by the Boomer-bot, “by your command”?** I heard that, but I thought it was the Hot-bot saying it to Boomer. Made me wonder, too. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/135 "2003-12-11T13:49:20Z")
It was pretty good. I was shocked. The second part was really strong, actually. I was a fan of the first series, but this pretty much blew it away. I doubt they could hold the quality and tension for a series. But I would watch to find out. ---
**Author:** ![Gorgon\_Heap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/136 "2003-12-11T14:05:49Z")
Ditto. ---
**Author:** ![Kilt-wearin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kilt-wearin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilt-wearin_man)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/137 "2003-12-11T14:53:40Z")
Of course, you all realize our opinions don’t matter because Earth is just a myth that Adama’s taking advantage of to hold the fleet together and give the survivors something to live for…so we don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/138 "2003-12-11T15:04:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Long Road \* > OK, my one real complaint about the MS. Why did they feel the need to have us watch Edward James Olmos suck up noodles for 20 seconds? I watched BSG to see some good sci-fi, not disgusting-sucking-noodles-into-your-face-fi. Who was the writer who thought that was a good idea? “Oh I know what will cap it off, let’s have Adama suck up a bunch of noodles!” \*\* They were Space-Noodles ---
**Author:** ![Kilt-wearin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kilt-wearin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilt-wearin_man)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/139 "2003-12-11T15:15:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by msmith537 \* > \*\*They were Space-Noodles \*\* Apparently, along with the giftshop in the starboard launch bay, there’s also a decent Thai restaraunt… ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811/140 "2003-12-11T15:18:59Z")
Why is there so much present day Earth culture if Earth is just a myth? Why are people wearing suits and ties? And smoking cigars (tobacco comes from where?) Drinking bottles of whiskey? How would they know about any of that if they weren’t in constant contact with Earth? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/battlestar-galactica-tonight/217811.md?page=8)