# BCS bowls (5 Games - 10 Teams -- Pick Teams to LOSE) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 28, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368 "2013-12-28T20:13:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/61 "2014-01-07T05:29:40Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Rick Reilly is prolly happy](http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls13/story/_/id/10237600/rick-reilly-sec-overrated). I can’t wait to read his column in the morning. 🙂 I dunno man. Auburn gave us all we could handle and then some. Nothing for the Tigers to hang their heads about. We got outcoached and outplayed\* for three quarters. Fortunately the game goes four… - and outreffed - seriously you fuckers miss an open-field facemask and then a clear horse-collar after calling us for two different unsportsmanlikes? WTF? ETA: AND Tre Mason clearly spiked the ball after that last Auburn TD. No flag. Look, I know we won, but goddamn I HATE bad officiating. It just sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/62 "2014-01-07T05:29:51Z")
Check out this screenshot I took of the twitter feed on ESPN’s Gamecast; it’s from Tim McMahon (whoever that is), posting right after Auburn went ahead 31-27 with 1:19 left in the game: [ > [@Tim McMahon](#): > > OK, Jameis Winston, it’s time to be the best player in college football. ]([http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/snowboarderbo/IMG\_1925.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/snowboarderbo/IMG_1925.jpg)) And he was! WOOT! Go Seminoles! Go ACC! ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/63 "2014-01-07T06:05:44Z")
Well, fuck. We lost. I do think AU would have won if it wasn’t for that late pass interference penalty, but it _was_ pass interference. Fuck. I’ll give kudos to Florida State, and their fans. As for me, I’m going to cry in my beer. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/64 "2014-01-07T14:33:08Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > I really like what you did here, and it gave me the idea to add some data to make it a little easier to predict where things will go in the AP Poll after the dust settles. > > I’ve incorporated your work into the stuff I got from > > [NCAAF College Football 2024 Standings - Yahoo Sports](http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/standings) > [College Football Schedule - 2025 Season - ESPN](http://espn.go.com/college-football/schedule) > > ```auto > > Standings Bowl Subdivision > > Florida State (1) 8-0 13-0 Monday, Jan 6 8:30 PM No. 1 Florida State vs. No. 2 Auburn > BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP > > Michigan State (4) 8-0 13-1 4 Michigan State - beat #5 Stanford > > Auburn (2) 7-1 12-1 Monday, Jan 6 8:30 PM No. 1 Florida State vs. No. 2 Auburn > BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP > > UCF (15) 8-0 12-1 15 UCF - beat #6 Baylor > Louisville (18) 7-1 12-1 No. 18 Louisville 36, Miami (FL) 9 > > Ohio State (7) 8-0 12-2 7 Ohio State - lost to #12 Clemson > Missouri (8) 7-1 12-2 8 Missouri - beat #13 Oklahoma State > Northern Illinois (23) 8-0 12-2 Utah State 21, No. 23 Northern Illinois 14 > > Alabama (3) 7-1 11-2 3 Alabama - lost to #11 Oklahoma > Baylor (6) 8-1 11-2 6 Baylor - lost to #15 Central Florida > South Carolina (9) 6-2 11-2 9 South Carolina - beat #19 Wisconsin > Oregon (10) 7-2 11-2 10 Oregon - beat unranked Texas > Oklahoma (11) 7-2 11-2 11 Oklahoma - beat #3 Alabama > Clemson (12) 7-1 11-2 12 Clemson - beat #7 Ohio State > Fresno State (20) 7-1 11-2 No. 25 USC 45, No. 20 Fresno State 20 > > Stanford (5) 7-2 11-3 5 Stanford - lost to #4 Michigan State > > Oklahoma State (13) 7-2 10-3 13 Oklahoma State - lost to #8 Missouri > LSU (16) 5-3 10-3 No. 16 LSU 21, Iowa 14 > UCLA (17) 6-3 10-3 No. 17 UCLA 42, Virginia Tech 12 > > Arizona State (14) 8-1 10-4 14 Arizona State - lost to unranked Texas Tech > Duke (24) 6-2 10-4 No. 21 Texas A&M 52, No. 24 Duke 48 > USC (25) 6-3 10-4 No. 25 USC 45, No. 20 Fresno State 20 > > Wisconsin (19) 6-2 9-4 No. 9 South Carolina 34, No. 19 Wisconsin 24 > Texas A&M (21) 4-4 9-4 No. 21 Texas A&M 52, No. 24 Duke 48 > > Georgia (22) 5-3 8-5 Nebraska 24, No. 22 Georgia 19 > > =================================== > > Ball State 7-1 10-2 Sunday, January 5 9:00 PM Arkansas State vs. Ball State GODADDY BOWL > > East Carolina 6-2 10-3 > > Marshall 7-1 10-4 > Rice 7-1 10-4 > Bowling Green 7-1 10-4 > > ``` > > If I had anything to do with it, I’d drop > > Wisconsin (19) , Texas A&M (21) and Georgia (22) > > and move up three (don’t care much which) from the 10-x batch not already ranked. > > How things will get shuffled in the 10-x group (and up) already in the Top 25 is anybody’s guess. But we could have some fun playing with it here if y’all want to. You can see how Sagarin’s system has sorted things out at [Jeff Sagarin’s College Football Ratings](http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm) (be sure to check out the conferences/divisions on down the page). The [Final AP Rankings](http://college-football.si.com/2014/01/07/final-ap-poll-florida-state/?section=si_latest) tell a different story, as you would expect. And there’s also the [USA Today Coaches Poll](http://msn.foxsports.com/college-football/polls) to maintain the confusion. But if you want the maximum dizziness feeling, check out [College Football Ranking Composite](http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm) If you’re up to the challenge, pretend it’s your own ranking system that counts and list your own Top Ten, just for discussion points. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/65 "2014-01-07T18:19:42Z")
You know how Stoops makes Crimson Tide cookies? Puts ingredients in a sugar bowl and beats them thoroughly. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/66 "2014-01-07T18:22:07Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > You can see how Sagarin’s system has sorted things out at [Jeff Sagarin’s College Football Ratings](http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm) (be sure to check out the conferences/divisions on down the page). UCF at #25? Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/67 "2014-01-07T18:28:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > UCF at #25? Seriously? I know… 😕 OU and OSU are separated by 100ths and yet OU beat 3rd rank 'Bama and OSU lost their bowl. I also think Auburn and 'Bama should at least switch places. His rankings are odd, I don’t care what ‘system’ he uses. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/68 "2014-01-07T18:32:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > UCF at #25? Seriously? Here’s a comparison based on those sources mentioned above: ```auto ====================================== Standings -- Bowl Subdivision AP USA Sag Mas Florida State (1) 8-0 14-0 1 1 1 Auburn (2) 7-1 12-2 2 4 2 Michigan State (3) 8-0 13-1 3 6 4 South Carolina (4) 6-2 11-2 4 10 8 Missouri (5) 7-1 12-2 5 7 5 Oklahoma (6) 7-2 11-2 6 12 10 Alabama (7) 7-1 11-2 8 3 3 Clemson (8) 7-1 11-2 7 14 11 Oregon (9) 7-2 11-2 9 2 7 UCF (10) 8-0 12-1 12 25 17 Stanford (11) 7-2 11-3 10 5 6 Ohio State (12) 8-0 12-2 10 16 12 Baylor (13) 8-1 11-2 13 9 9 LSU (14) 5-3 10-3 14 15 15 Louisville (15) 7-1 12-1 15 20 18 UCLA (16) 6-3 10-3 16 8 13 Oklahoma State (17) 7-2 10-3 17 13 14 Texas A&M (18) 4-4 9-4 18 22 20 USC (19) 6-3 10-4 19 21 22 Notre Dame (20) 0-0 9-4 24 28 24 Arizona State (21) 8-1 10-4 20 19 16 Wisconsin (22) 6-2 9-4 21 18 21 Duke (23) 6-2 10-4 22 42 28 Vanderbilt (24) 4-4 9-4 23 36 31 Washington (25) 5-4 9-4 11 19 ***************************** USA Sag Mas Northern Illinois 8-0 12-2 59 36 Fresno State 7-1 11-2 54 33 East Carolina 6-2 10-3 56 46 Ball State 7-1 10-3 70 58 Marshall 7-1 10-4 61 53 Rice 7-1 10-4 69 57 Bowling Green 7-1 10-4 39 41 Cincinnati 6-2 9-4 67 59 Miami (FL) 5-3 9-4 49 37 Nebraska 5-3 9-4 25 38 35 North Texas 6-2 9-4 63 56 Navy 0-0 9-4 51 47 Louisiana-Lafayette 5-2 9-4 81 67 ``` As a general statement Sagarin marches to a different drummer. Salt is needed when reading his list. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/69 "2014-01-07T18:35:20Z")
Add lime and tequila ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/70 "2014-01-07T18:36:27Z")
Bah. Even the composite has UCF ranked behind four three-loss teams and even a _four_-loss team (AZ State.) I just noticed the Sagarin ELO ranking (what the eff is that?) has UCF at #5, though. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/71 "2014-01-07T18:47:07Z")
For yet more fun in trying to decide which (if any) polls and predictions sources are worth a large lump of bat guano, check out the new [Preseason Prediction Accuracy (2013)](http://preseason.stassen.com/prediction-accuracy/2013.html) The sad thing is last year’s “most reliable” can be seen at [Preseason Prediction Accuracy (2012)](http://preseason.stassen.com/prediction-accuracy/2012.html) It’s been like that every year I have checked on it. 20/20 hindsight at best. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/72 "2014-01-07T20:25:15Z")
I predict that by 2023, we will have at least a 32-team FNIT elimination bracket and the days of controversy and dispute will be but nostalgia, remembered with fondness by only a few grumpy old assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/73 "2014-01-07T20:49:10Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Rick Reilly is prolly happy](http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls13/story/_/id/10237600/rick-reilly-sec-overrated). I can’t wait to read his column in the morning. 🙂 So I just read [today’s column by Rick Reilly](http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls13/story/_/id/10257319/rick-reilly-florida-state-bcs-championship). He starts by noting that FSU has a lot to be thankful for in this win, since Auburn was no pushover and especially since Winston had such a sub-par performance, and so he lists things (all of which are true and accurate, btw) to be thankful for, and then he ends the column with this [ > [@Rick Reilly](#): > > Come to think of it, I have one: > > • Thank you, Florida State, for saving my bacon, not to mention my ham and my eggs. I went out on a very creaky limb, insisting you’d beat Auburn, demanding that you had to beat Auburn and end the horrid reign of SEC national titles at seven in a row, for the good of college football, the nation and world democracy. > > Thanks to you, I no longer have to move to Chechnya, as so many very passionate and bad-spelling SEC fans have suggested. > > Na zdorovie. ]([Rick Reilly on Florida State BCS championship - ESPN](http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls13/story/_/id/10257319/rick-reilly-florida-state-bcs-championship)) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/74 "2014-01-07T21:38:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Bah. Even the composite has UCF ranked behind four three-loss teams and even a _four_-loss team (AZ State.) > > I just noticed the Sagarin ELO ranking (what the eff is that?) has UCF at #5, though. It’s the Sagarin ranking, for the purposes of the BCS. Sagarin’s always used margin of victory, but the BCS formula didn’t. In the sense in which it’s generally been used, UCF is 5th in the Sagarin rankings; Sagarin’s own internal metrics just don’t think they’re “truly” that good. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Goliath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bcef8e/32.png) [@Rex\_Goliath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Goliath)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368/75 "2014-01-08T18:16:02Z")
Great analysis of he sugar bowl from a Bama blog explaining why the sugar bowl was such a disaster for the tide: > **[Reason for Optimism going forward](https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2014/1/8/5283846/alabamas-sugar-bowl-defensive-review)** > > The Alabama defense, much maligned post Sugar Bowl, is not in as bad of shape as you might think > [@](#): > > Bama’s defensive strategy should have been clear. Stop the read option, make Knight beat you through the air. There was no evidence that Knight, a 52% passer, would have any success throwing the ball. What Kirby Smart and the defense did not consider, was that Oklahoma was planning to air raid the Bama D, throwing on 1st down most of the time. Give Knight credit, this strategy would have blown up in OU’s face had he not come out focused. As we know, he completed 32-44 passes for 348 yards, and looked very sharp doing so. More telling are his rushing stats. 5 carries for 7 yards, including one scramble. So 4 designed runs. This “read-option” offense basically threw away the playbook and flanked the hell out of Mosley and crew. > [@](#): > > A running team all season, the Sooners predominately ignored the run and Knight threw the ball 44 times. He had only attempted 90 passes in the 12 games prior. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bcs-bowls-5-games-10-teams-pick-teams-to-lose/677368.md?page=3)