# Beautiful Women are Coming to Nigeria! Let's Riot! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 21, 2002, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049 "2002-11-21T23:18:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/21 "2002-11-22T13:32:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Efrem \* > \*\*Quit passively supporting child molestation **testy**. You make me sick. :rolleyes: \*\* Well, sorry to hear about your illness and hope you get better soon. Testy. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/22 "2002-11-22T13:49:41Z")
**Testy** , I don’t know how my name got into your title, but it wasn’t me! It was someone else! I was never near the place! Honest. I was… I was at the garden centre, that’s it. Yes. The garden centre. Buying… um… plant food. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/23 "2002-11-22T17:07:42Z")
The OP is incorrect: the riots weren’t about Miss World. They were because a newspaper insulted the Prophet Mohammed with relation to Miss World. [Read here](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2501893.stm). ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/24 "2002-11-22T17:16:53Z")
um **jjimm** from the OP > [@](#): > > The BBC is reporting that fifty people may be dead in Kanduna, Nigeria after protests turned into riots against the Miss World contest **and an article in a newspaper that said the women were so beautiful Muhammed himself might have married one** ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/25 "2002-11-22T17:29:12Z")
Gah. Why is every mention of Muhammed blasphemous? What would they do if they had to endure the kind of surfeiting and profane use of his name that Christians endure with respect to Jesus here at Straight Dope? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/26 "2002-11-22T17:30:22Z")
What, you’re saying I have to _read_ the OPs now? OK sorry. Seriously though, I can’t find anywhere in the news that says the riots were against the Miss World contest per se. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/27 "2002-11-22T17:40:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Gah. Why is every mention of Muhammed blasphemous? What would they do if they had to endure the kind of surfeiting and profane use of his name that Christians endure with respect to Jesus here at Straight Dope? \*\* I think the beef some people would have with the artile was that the author presumed to speak for Mohammed (which is a big no no), and the uproar over that snowballed into the protests about the contest itself. Which in turn snowballed into the widespread rioting and counterrioting that happens in Kaduna at any given oppertunity. There’s alot of tension in that area. ---
**Author:** ![zigaretten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/91b2a8/32.png) [@zigaretten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zigaretten)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/28 "2002-11-22T17:49:41Z")
A couple of points… Nigeria was a military dictatorship until 1999 when they adopted democracy. There wasn’t, and still isn’t, a lot of agreement over what form this democracy should take. The end of the dictatorship resulted in a lot of people losing power and they weren’t/aren’t real happy about it. Nigeria is about 50/50 Muslim/Christian. The division between the two groups is physical (north/south), tribal and political. Since the end of the dictatorship the country has been rocked by one riot after another: [http://www.dawn.com/2001/10/15/top18.htm](http://www.dawn.com/2001/10/15/top18.htm) [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1110791.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1110791.stm) [http://www.africaonline.com/site/Articles/1,3,43794.jsp](http://www.africaonline.com/site/Articles/1,3,43794.jsp) There is a lot more going on here than just an artcle in a newspaper. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/29 "2002-11-22T18:34:42Z")
Well I’ll speak for Mohammad. \ **STOP KILLING PEOPLE YOU STUPID FUCKS, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE!** \ ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2002, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/30 "2002-11-22T19:26:18Z")
A quote from Miss Nigeria/Miss World’s bio: > [@](#): > > I wish to be a successful Computer Scientist and Super Model. How will she bring that off? Designer pocket protectors? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/31 "2002-11-23T00:54:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*The Miss World Pagent is being used as a pretext for fundamental idiots to incite hatred against people of another religion. > > It has nothing to do with Islam itself. \*\* Munich Olympic Massacre, September 5, 1972 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976 Iran Hostage Crisis, November 4, 1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, November 20, 1979 Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut, April 18, 1983 Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, October 23, 1983 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12, 1984 TWA Hijacking, June 14, 1985 Achille Lauro Hijacking, October 7, 1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, November 23, 1985 Berlin Discoteque Bombing, April 5, 1986 Pan Am 103 Bombing, December 21, 1988 Bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17, 1992 World Trade Center Bombing, February 26, 1993 Jerusalem Bus Attack, August 21, 1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, November 13, 1995 Egyptian Embassy Attack, November 19, 1995 Hamas Bus Attack, February 26, 1996 Dizengoff Center Bombing, March 4, 1996 West Bank Attack, May 13, 1996 Zekharya Attack, June 9, 1996 Khobar Towers Bombing, June 25, 1996 Empire State Building Sniper Attack, February 23, 1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, September 4, 1997 Tourist Killings in Egypt, November 17, 1997 U.S. Embassy Bombings in East Africa, August 7, 1998 Attack on U.S.S. Cole, October 12, 2000 Manila Bombing, December 30, 2000 Bus Stop Bombing, April 22, 2001 Tel-Aviv Nightclub Bombing, June 1, 2001 Hamas Restaurant Bombing, August 9, 2001 September 11, 2001 Many more Palestinian Homicide-bomber attacks French tanker attack Bali Nightclub bombing Are you also going to say that none of the above have anything to do with Islam? Nothing at all? No connection? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/32 "2002-11-23T00:58:20Z")
A fucking resume of evil, thats for damn sure. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/33 "2002-11-23T01:41:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Are you also going to say that none of the above have anything to do with Islam? Nothing at all? No connection? Not me. But I will say that a several them don’t ( Entebbe or Munich for example - the PLO was/is explicitly secular with a certain percentage of Christian members ). Just a nitpick. Carry on. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/34 "2002-11-23T01:58:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tamerlane \* > \*\*Not me. But I will say that a several them don’t ( Entebbe or Munich for example - the PLO was/is explicitly secular with a certain percentage of Christian members ). Just a nitpick. Carry on. > > - Tamerlane \*\* For a secular organization, the PLO certainly seems to have a particular beef with Israeli Jews, as opposed to Israelis in general. The Passover attack at Netanya (sp) for example. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/35 "2002-11-23T02:07:53Z")
They moved the pageant to London! The terrorists have already won. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/36 "2002-11-23T02:50:08Z")
I was away all day at work w/o Internet access and I come home to this. I guess it’s for the best–the riots were starting to spread to Abuja, the city that the contest was being held in instead of messy-to-begin-with Kaduna, and people who had nothing to do with anything were being killed. But dammit, why can’t these folks learn how to protest without killing a gazillion innocent people? And do they really think that killing random people in the street will vindicate the “insult” to Mohammed? And let’s not drag the IRA and stuff into this. Their crimes were committed over a land dispute, and although the offenders were Catholic it’s not like they were doing it in the NAME of the Catholic Church or Jesus himself. Believe me, I grew up in a Bronx Irish neighborhood and there were/are plenty of IRA types passing through here. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/37 "2002-11-23T04:25:14Z")
> [@](#): > > For a secular organization, the PLO certainly seems to have a particular beef with Israeli Jews, as opposed to Israelis in general. The Passover attack at Netanya (sp) for example. Sadly anti-Semitism isn’t solely the province of the religious fanatic. Plain old ethnic tribalism generates more than hatred to fuel the engines of bigotry. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/38 "2002-11-23T04:26:20Z")
…more than _enough_ hatred… ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/39 "2002-11-23T04:52:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Are you also going to say that none of the above have anything to do with Islam? Nothing at all? No connection? \*\* Of course there is a connection. All of your quoted outrages involved muslims. You chose them for that reason. You chose not to name any outrages by non-muslims, although you certainly could have, (assuming that you are capable of taking your blinkers off, something I very much doubt) Quite probably, you wouldn’t see outrages by non-muslims in those terms, you would see such outrages as being tribal battles, fights over land or power, nationalism, or some other cause. You would allow a deeper understanding. But because you are blinkered, all you see is that the outrages you list are committed by muslims, and you assume that to be the relevant cause. **Mehitabel** illustrates the point beautifully. I bring up the IRA and Ulster Unionists and he jumps on that and says don’t drag them into this, their troubles are a land claim. Are they? Maybe they are, but they sure as hell sound like fights over religion, unless you show a bit of understanding. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049/40 "2002-11-23T05:15:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Princhester \* > **Quite probably, you wouldn’t see outrages by non-muslims in those terms, you would see such outrages as being tribal battles, fights over land or power, nationalism, or some other cause.** Um, no, I don’t see: Achile Lauro (pushing an old man in a wheelchair into the sea, nice touch) Pan Am 103 September 11, 2001 (May perpetual light shine upon them) The bloody, evil, disgusting, murder of Mr. Pearl The Bali bombings :as anything to do with tribal battles, fights over land or power, or nationalism. What do you see them as? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beautiful-women-are-coming-to-nigeria-lets-riot/138049.md?page=3)