# Beauty Parlor Killing Mom deserted 3rd Child **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2002, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748 "2002-07-13T05:22:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2002, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/21 "2002-07-13T19:31:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bodypoet \* > \*\*I’m with **Zette** here. There is no way that she didn’t know what she was doing to those babies. > > … and I’m not buying the “I was too stupid to know better” excuse until I see an IQ test completed BEFORE the killings, and said IQ is somewhere in the Moderate-Profound range. > \*\* Count me in, too. As I said in the other thread about this very woman, I find it **very** hard to believe that she could think it was okay to leave two very small kids in a car for three hours while she got her hair done. Come on, that’s just basic common sense. “Gee, should I leave my baby and toddler alone in a car with no water on a hot summer day for three hours?” OF COURSE NOT! Everyone knows you don’t leave a baby and a toddler alone like that. And the fact that she drove around trying to come up with a cover story shows she knew she’d get in trouble for it. She _ **knew** _ it was wrong when she walked away from the car. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2002, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/22 "2002-07-13T20:49:23Z")
Oh, no doubt she know better, but I’ll settle for having her removed from society until such time as she’s no longer able to reproduce. Personally, I’d like to put her in a kiln, but that wouldn’t serve any purpose but to satisfy my anger at her. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2002, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/23 "2002-07-13T21:34:50Z")
Or else she’s a psychopath, and doesn’t understand caring about anyone but herself? Fuck it. She didn’t panic. Panic would have had her screaming about her kids. No, she was cool, deliberate. No, she’s not too bright. That doesn’t get her off. As for abandoning her third child, in a way, it was a blessing in disguise. ---
**Author:** ![Profane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@Profane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Profane)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2002, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/24 "2002-07-13T22:08:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Calling for her death: OK > Calling her a “cunt”: offensive! > > ??? I never said you should not call her that, I was just trying to explain why someone might be offended. It is the worst thing you could call a woman, and yes she does deserve it, but if someone were talking about a black murderer no one (well, except JET) would even think about using the word n\*\*\*\*r. To some women it’s the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Profane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@Profane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Profane)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2002, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/25 "2002-07-13T22:27:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Given that she left two children to roast to death, I would say that coming up with the worst possible epithet is entirely the point. > [@](#): > > My apologies if I’ve offended anyone, but quite frankly, I don’t think that the biological unit which is the subject of the OP rates as a human being. Humans are defined by their actions, not DNA, IMHO, and allowing two children to die in a car removes one from the realm of humanity. All I was trying to say is that that you’d never call this black woman a n\*\*\*\*r - to many women calling her a cunt is just as bad. I never said you shouldn’t call her that, just offering my opinion as to why **kambuckta** may have said that. ---
**Author:** ![Profane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@Profane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Profane)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2002, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/26 "2002-07-13T22:28:38Z")
Crap, I though the hamsters ate the first one. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2002, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/27 "2002-07-13T22:49:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > \*\*Calling for her death: OK > Calling her a “cunt”: offensive! > > ??? \*\* Rev, I didn’t call for her death either. And while you may have assumed that I tacitly approved of it because I didn’t call the posters who DID to task, I can assure you that there are no circumstances under which I would seek the death penalty. It’s just that having recently gotten into another quite hysterical and venomous pit-bitch about whether an individual deserved to DIE for their crimes, I didn’t want to do a repeat performance of that! And LunaSea, thanks! That is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make. Look, I am of the opinion that NORMAL people do not do wicked things (like gratuitiously kill people). Thus I reckon that their ABnormality generally comes under two categories…mental illness, or mental incapacity. Sometimes the two are combined. I know this viewpoint is not necessarily shared by the rest of the population, but I don’t think it’s helpful to condemn people for doing something ‘evil’ when they don’t truly understand the nature of their actions. (I’m not talking professional killings or crimes of passion here.) There, that’s my Sunday Morning’s two-bob’s worth. And I still don’t like the ‘c’ word! ---
**Author:** ![Daikona](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8baadc/32.png) [@Daikona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daikona)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/28 "2002-07-14T03:21:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LunaSea \* > \*\* > > To many (not all!) women cunt is **the** worst thing you could ever call her - on par with the n-word. \*\* Which is yet another reason why most (not all!) women drive me absolutely batshit. And to save anyone the trouble of asking/assuming, I’m female myself. And honestly, if ‘cunt’ is the worst thing someone hears, I envy them. And I pity them for _thinking_ it’s the worst thing they _could_ possibly hear, since it indicates a total lack of any perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/29 "2002-07-14T03:26:35Z")
Cunt is as bad as the n-word? Um…ooookay. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Cessandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cessandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cessandra)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/30 "2002-07-14T03:57:32Z")
I wouldn’t have a problem calling her the “n-word.” It’s an incredibly offensive word, and she deserves it. Not that I care one whit about her race, just that I don’t feel any need to be “sensitive” toward a woman who fucking baked her children. Even the most offensive slurs in the English language are too soft for such people. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/31 "2002-07-14T04:31:07Z")
Let’s add to the list of her crimes the fact that by making up a story of being abducted and raped she just makes it harder for all of the women in the world who ARE abducted and raped and not believed. Women who lie about being raped are…the worst fucking traitors to their species, IMHO. j ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/32 "2002-07-14T10:03:49Z")
I wouldn’t call her a cunt either. She lacks the depth and charm. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/33 "2002-07-14T10:23:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Witnesses said she never once mentioned her children, asked to bring them inside or left to check on them.\* She did leave the salon once to get a drink and snack\*, a salon worker said. Bolding mine. I understand that they cannot, at this time, prove she intended them to die. But I believe that she did. I think she realized nobody would buy the rape story and fell back to ‘I’m too stupid’. So she was charged with involuntary manslaughter. Why not felony child endagerment? Why not filing a false police report? Obstruction of justice? If she commits felony child endagerment, and the children die as result, isn’t that felony murder? ---
**Author:** ![weeds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@weeds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/weeds)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/34 "2002-07-14T11:41:48Z")
Talking to a few women I got the impression most beauty salons let you bring infants & toddlers while doing your hair. The salon in question said she could bring in her kids, she didn’t because they were being punished. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/35 "2002-07-14T13:37:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kambuckta \* > \*\*Um, Tuckerfan, the use of the word ‘cunt’ to describe a person really offends me. This person may well need to be sterilised, she may well be terminally stupid, but… (and maybe it’s just my personal bias) but calling her a '_cunt_ ’ seems uncalled for. > > :rolleyes: \*\* Gee, I dunno… someone who lets her two children die a horrible, agonizing death… someone who had previously abandonned another child… someone who lied about the whole thing … I think that there aren’t any words that are “too harsh” here. “she killed her kids but don’t you dare call her a bad word! that would be uncalled for!” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/36 "2002-07-14T13:40:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\*I believe I saw reference in one article to a coroner’s estimation that the children died within the first half-hour of being left in the car \*\* As horrible as it sounds, I’m relieved to hear that. I’d rather they had suffered for 30 minutes than 3 hours. Those poor kids… my god… ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/37 "2002-07-14T13:44:11Z")
What the FUCK can you punish a 10 month old for?!?!! ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/38 "2002-07-14T13:58:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I wouldn’t have a problem calling her the “n-word.” It’s an incredibly offensive word, and she deserves it. This is just a minor hijack, but I’m afraid I don’t follow the reasoning here. The reason it’s offensive is that it means nothing more than “person with black skin,” and carries a whole lot of baggage related to people with black skin being treated as less than full citizens. Using it would really say nothing about her, and everything about the person using it. This woman deserves to be condemned, and punished to the fullest extent of the law, but calling her a nigger? Um, no. We just don’t need to go down that road. ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/39 "2002-07-14T13:59:09Z")
‘Cunt’ is too good for her. And being a stooopid cunt is not an excuse. This woman deserves everything that is going to happen to her. Hell, I don’t leave my kids in the car alone, and they’re 17, 16 and 12. There should be empathy or compassion for this woman, she doesn’t deserve any. ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2002, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748/40 "2002-07-14T14:29:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Heloise \* > \*\*I don’t know about calling it involuntary manslaughter. I would think negligent homicide at the very, very least. \*\* Um, at least in my state, involuntary manslaughter _is_ negligent homicide. Voluntary manslaughter is when you kill someone in a fit of passion, which doesn’t fit this case. If it’s not murder, it’s involuntary manslaughter, which is still a serious crime. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beauty-parlor-killing-mom-deserted-3rd-child/118748.md?page=3)