# Bebop / Rebop **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 18, 2006, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170 "2006-08-18T01:31:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/1 "2006-08-18T01:31:10Z")
What’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/2 "2006-08-18T01:43:22Z")
Not much. If you’re looking for a bunch ofnew content, you won’t find it. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/3 "2006-08-18T02:59:05Z")
Bebop is a style of jazz. [Rebop](http://tinyurl.com/nl6ls) is a drummer. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/4 "2006-08-18T04:55:56Z")
Put them together, of course, and you get rhubarb pie. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/5 "2006-08-18T16:30:06Z")
[QUOTE=smiling bandit] Not much. If you’re looking for a bunch ofnew content, you won’t find it. [/QUOTE] That’d be Cowboy Bebop. Bebop = Rebop and are both = Bop ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Not\_Appearing\_on\_This\_Site](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@Sir\_Not\_Appearing\_on\_This\_Site](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Not_Appearing_on_This_Site)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/6 "2006-08-18T19:01:55Z")
Its just a repacking the episodes on DVD in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/7 "2006-08-18T19:18:59Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Put them together, of course, and you get rhubarb pie. [/QUOTE] Which is, of course, great with Powdermilk Bisquits. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/8 "2006-08-19T19:36:42Z")
The various theories on the origins of these terms include… “bebop” is imitative of the flatted fifth step in the scale, which first appeared in jazz/blues during that era; “rebop” comes from the Spanish exclamation “_¡Arriba!_”… Personally, I can’t help thinking of the terms when listening to one of the very first recorded sides of this new music, “Groovin’ High” (1945) by Dizzy Gillespie with Charlie Parker. It opens with a couple of short, snappy two-note phrases. The second of these, IIRC, starts with a grace note. Sounds like the horns themselves are saying “Bebop! Rebop!” ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/9 "2006-08-19T20:25:18Z")
Shebop? ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/10 "2006-08-19T20:35:31Z")
[QUOTE=Johanna] The various theories on the origins of these terms include… “bebop” is imitative of the flatted fifth step in the scale, which first appeared in jazz/blues during that era; \ [/QUOTE] I’m curious how this works: the flatted fifth (or sharped fourth/eleventh) is just one tone, so how do the two syllables get in there? One version I heard a while back was that Kenny Clarke’s drumming had that “be bop” sound as frequent accents to a basic high-hat rhythm. He even had the nickname of Klook-a-mop, if I have my jazz trivia right. I suspect the actual origin of either of these terms and other variants is either so trivial as to be forgotten as to who said it and when, or so dependent on some specific individual (Dizzy seems a natural for it) that just why it was chosen is not going to be determined by latter day scholars. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/11 "2006-08-21T01:31:59Z")
[QUOTE=Zeldar] I’m curious how this works: the flatted fifth (or sharped fourth/eleventh) is just one tone, so how do the two syllables get in there? [/quote] Because it’s a _smeared_ tone when it’s a blue note, a smooth microtonal transition between an upper and lower endpoint in pitch. > [@](#): > > One version I heard a while back was that Kenny Clarke’s drumming had that “be bop” sound as frequent accents to a basic high-hat rhythm. He even had the nickname of Klook-a-mop, if I have my jazz trivia right. Yeah and then the next thing you know, “Rump-titty-titty-tum-_TAH_-tee!” founded a whole new genre of music, Drum ‘n’ Drag. (I always suspected that story was a dirty joke in disguise.) > [@](#): > > I suspect the actual origin of either of these terms and other variants is either so trivial as to be forgotten as to who said it and when, or so dependent on some specific individual (Dizzy seems a natural for it) that just why it was chosen is not going to be determined by latter day scholars. I bet it was just from musicians demonstrating phrases to each other with voice, when not actually playing their instruments, the way musicians always communicate to one another when rehearsing. Voices imitating how they play their horns. Scat. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/12 "2006-08-21T02:03:51Z")
Deep Purple had a song called “Hey Bop a Re-Bop” on their The Book of Taliesyn album. Problem is, I’m sure I remembered that phrase from some earlier time but that’s the only hit I got when I went looking for it. I’m convinced that the phrase is from a song much older than rock music but I couldn’t find any more information with a quick search. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/13 "2006-08-21T13:00:42Z")
[QUOTE=Johanna] .Yeah and then the next thing you know, “Rump-titty-titty-tum-_TAH_-tee!” founded a whole new genre of music, Drum ‘n’ Drag. (I always suspected that story was a dirty joke in disguise.) [/QUOTE] You might enjoy [this article](http://www.lphares.com/hhjs/page15.html) then. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/14 "2006-08-21T16:37:19Z")
[QUOTE=Zeldar] You might enjoy [this article](http://www.lphares.com/hhjs/page15.html) then. [/QUOTE] Arrgggh!, someone shoot that webpage designer. Is the song Well, be-bop-a-lula, she’s my baby Be-bop-a-lula, I don’t mean maybe Be-bop-a-lula, she’s my baby Be-bop-a-lula, I don’t mean maybe Be-bop-a-lula, she’s my baby love My baby love, my baby love actually Bebop music? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/15 "2006-08-21T16:55:34Z")
It was rockabilly, the way Gene Vincent handled it. I don’t think it was ever meant to be jazz. [Here’s a good page](http://www.history-of-rock.com/vincent.htm) on Vincent. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bebop-rebop/369170/16 "2006-08-21T20:04:04Z")
I rebop was a slang term for ‘bullshit’, as when Stanley Kowalski tells Blanche DuBois to “cut the rebop!” in _A Streetcar Named Desire_.