# ...because you are too stupid for words (a Gonzomax pitting) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 23, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107 "2009-04-23T15:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/101 "2009-04-24T02:54:15Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > So as an age bigot you justify yourself with some kind of physical explanation describing why old people are inferior. That is what you bigot types did with blacks, made up some trumped up bullshit mental inferiority explanation. It is still shameful. It is still bigotry. You already answered that post. Did you forget? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/102 "2009-04-24T02:54:59Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > You defended gonzo because the people who attack him are all certain types of people. The last pit thread about gonzo was about his use of the word “faggy”. When he was pitted about his use of a pejorative term for homosexuals, he refused to see what the problem was. Various people tried to explain to him why calling things “faggy” was offensive, for about 8 pages, but he couldn’t see it. After all, Ann Coulter used the word faggy, another guy on some website used the word faggy, middle-school kids use the word faggy–so it can’t be offensive. > > Needless to say this did not endear him to the various differently oriented people on this board, or those sympathetic to them, or those who aren’t idiots. Yes, you’re absolutely right. Because **elucidator** defended **gonzomax** from **xtisme’s** hyper-generic attack in this OP, he must also support him in terms of the last pit thread about him. Certainly, he must be willing to defend him against any other concerns ever raised about the guy. This, I think, is really more of an entire pot-kettle convention. I think **elucidator** is right about the motivations of the posters in this thread. To borrow a phrase I learned at another board: “My god, it’s full of tards!” ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/103 "2009-04-24T02:57:34Z")
It’s kinda humorous to see the guy who describes things he doesn’t like as “like what a gay man would do” complain that facts about the aging process are bigotry akin to Jim Crow and/or slavery. And as always, the Twilight Zone bandaged woman in the hospital episode. Other people are stupid. Other people say bigoted things. Other people are unable to figure things out. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/104 "2009-04-24T02:58:03Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > You defended gonzo because the people who attack him are all certain types of people…who aren’t idiots. OK, before I get all riled up over nothing, let’s be clear: did you seriously, honest engine, think I was referring to homosexual people? Or was it a joke, or an insinuation? Perhaps we should just drop it, how about that? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/105 "2009-04-24T03:02:25Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I think **elucidator** is right about the motivations of the posters in this thread. Yes, of course. We’ve got liberals, conservatives, gays, straights, men, women, old, young all agreeing. What motivation applies to _all_ of us, if not simply that we agree that **gonzomax** is a numbskull? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/106 "2009-04-24T03:03:48Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > “My god, it’s full of tards!” So XT’s spot on complaint about The Gonz’ relentless thread vomiting is bad, and you really don’t understand (just like Clowny) why people would object to The Gonz’ behavior. But people who object to Gonz shitting all over with his amazing stupidity, there are doing something wrong. Their motivations are just horrible. Because only a retard, with horrible motivations, would want someone as stupid as The Gonz to not ruin every bit of discussion he craps on while he’s being as insulting and smarmy as possible for maximum irony value. Kay. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/107 "2009-04-24T03:04:09Z")
Elucidator was the one who claimed that only certain types of people complained about gonzo. Since the last pit thread about gonzo was about his anti-gay slurs, there are two possible conclusions. One, elucidator was refering to homosexuals. Two, elucidator was wrong, there are several types of people who complain about gonzo besides right-wingers. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/108 "2009-04-24T03:06:17Z")
**Frank** , you’re too smart not to know what I’m talking about here. Admittedly, its not a big point, but give me a fair shake. Sure, there is general agreement about **Gonzo**. But who exploits that? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/109 "2009-04-24T03:08:24Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Yes, of course. We’ve got liberals, conservatives, gays, straights, men, women, old, young all agreeing. What motivation applies to _all_ of us, if not simply that we agree that **gonzomax** is a numbskull? The desire to participate in a general attack on someone you consider to be stupid. **Jayjay’s** pit thread was specific. It’s purpose was pretty clear. What do you hope to achieve in this one? If you think **gonzomax** is stupid, will giving him a jab in this thread make him less so? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/110 "2009-04-24T03:11:48Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > But who exploits that? Not only do I not care who exploits that, I’ll readily admit that he’s a dingbat, and not representative (despite the best efforts of you and **Hentor** to make him so), and I’ll ask (as I did upthread) that we not be measured by his stripe. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/111 "2009-04-24T03:12:38Z")
XT and I have crossed swords a few times. The last was the huge defense he put up for Paulson and the bailout. He believed in it 100 percent with all the insults and and name calling followed. Before that we argued about gas prices. He stated that there was absolutely no speculation in gas prices and that they were just supply and demand. I suppose what I have going for my side is that he is always wrong. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/112 "2009-04-24T03:12:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Now, why is he their Betty Noyer, rather than a more articulate and polished poster like **Diogenes** or **Hentor**? Call me musheggenah, but I suspect the main reason people are pitting gonzomax for being a clueless moron but aren’t pitting Diogenes for the same reason might have something to do with Diogenes not being a clueless moron. Just a wild-ass guess. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/113 "2009-04-24T03:14:28Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > What do you hope to achieve in this one? If you think **gonzomax** is stupid, will giving him a jab in this thread make him less so? One would hope that peer pressure would urge him to argue better and to cite better. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/114 "2009-04-24T03:15:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > OK, before I get all riled up over nothing, let’s be clear: did you seriously, honest engine, think I was referring to homosexual people? Or was it a joke, or an insinuation? > > Perhaps we should just drop it, how about that? Touchy! Look, you assumed that everyone who complained about gonzo was a right wing asshole. You were wrong. Only SOME of us are right wing assholes. Plenty of normal people complain about gonzo too. You could read the mortgage thread, or the faggy poodle thread, or you could take my word for it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/115 "2009-04-24T03:21:08Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Not only do I not care who exploits that, I’ll readily admit that he’s a dingbat, and not representative (despite the best efforts of you and **Hentor** to make him so), and I’ll ask (as I did upthread) that we not be measured by his stripe. Wait a second. You suggest to me that what **gonzomax** needs to do is “argue better,” but you employ a transparently weak strategy of argument such as the quoted bit? In defending him here, we are making him representative? motes, eyes, pots, kettles, physician, thyself - choose your own cliche. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/116 "2009-04-24T03:24:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > OK, before I get all riled up over nothing, let’s be clear: did you seriously, honest engine, think I was referring to homosexual people? Or was it a joke, or an insinuation? > > Perhaps we should just drop it, how about that? No. No. No one thought that. Fuck that. I want to stay in my place and watch the saga unfold, but this won’t go unsaid. It is crystal clear what you meant and you damn sure didn’t mean gay people. Now, back to me silently enjoying the smart posters fight. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/117 "2009-04-24T03:28:41Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian ] motes, eyes, pots, kettles, physician, thyself - choose your own cliche. [/QUOTE] I choose lead, horse, water, make, think…it seems apt when applied to certain folks in this thread. > [@](#): > > What do you hope to achieve in this one? If you think gonzomax is stupid, will giving him a jab in this thread make him less so? For my own part, no…I don’t think it’s possible to make him less stupid. I started this thread without a ‘purpose’ (this is required?), but due to frustration and because I wanted a place to vent about this idiot outside of the thread I linked too in the OP. Myself, that’s what I thought the Pit was supposed to be FOR…but obviously you know best. > [@](#): > > To borrow a phrase I learned at another board: “My god, it’s full of tards!” Well, I’ve only really counted 4 (one being the guy up thread who felt the need to say that this was a stupid thread and he was bummed he wasted his time slogging through it), and 2 of them are only acting like ‘tards’. If you want to say the thread is full of them though, feel free. That guy on the other board you belonged was right about one poster though, ehe? -XT ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/118 "2009-04-24T03:35:24Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > So as an age bigot you justify yourself with some kind of physical explanation describing why old people are inferior. That is what you bigot types did with blacks, made up some trumped up bullshit mental inferiority explanation. It is still shameful. It is still bigotry. You don’t think you lose neuroplasticity with aging, and hence, the ability form new mindsets and ideas? Let me ask you - do you think a 10 year old or 60 year old has an easier time learning a new language? If you said 10 year old, you’re a bigot! It’s kinda funny, I was actually trying to make excuses for you, to defend you in a way, and you’re fighting it tooth and nail, calling me a bigot and trying to shame me. If that’s not why, then you’re just deliberately stubborn, and either lack reading comprehension or simply ignore other people instead deciding to repeat simplistic arguments until people give up on you. The explanation I gave for your behavior is actually the lesser of two evils. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/119 "2009-04-24T03:36:52Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > In defending him here, we are making him representative? Oh, come on. Why, according to you and **elucidator** , are you defending him? Because he is a liberal. That’s all. That is the sum and measure of your support. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/120 "2009-04-24T03:38:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I know what you mean, but, on the other hand, what the heck, let the boy rock and roll. If he makes a bad argument, that doesn’t reflect on anyone but him. If he makes a good argument but does it clumsily, again, what the heck, someone else will re-state it more betterly. > > \ > > And I’ll tell you: I kinda like the little weirdo. No reason why, I usually don’t have reasons why I like people, I usually fill them in later. And that’s OK. because nobody cares but me and I don’t care that much. Maybe its just because he named himself after my second-favorite Muppets. (What? Oh, Animal, of course. No contest.) > > But one thing: you guys pound the crap out of him, again and again, and he just goes right ahead and toes the mark, with his dukes up! The boy’s got sand. Well, here’s the thing. You kinda like him. I don’t. At all. It’s not just that he’s stupid. I don’t mind stupid. Hell, some of my best friends are morons. **gonzo** is an asshole. He’s an arrogant, condescending, _exquisitely_ hypocritical little shit. And I got to tell you, very little in this world gets up my nose like being talked down to by a guy who needs two tries out of three to count the fingers on his right hand. As a poster, he is utterly, absolutely, and wholly without any shred of merit. He is a skidmark in the underwear of the SDMB, and anyone who wants to take a few minutes to slap him around is alright in my book. If you want to fully understand the depths of my antipathy to the little cocksore, consider this: if I see a thread in which both **Clothahump** and **gonzomax** have participated, I usually end up thinking, “You know, that **Clothahump** isn’t really all that bad.” That is how much I dislike **gonzomax**. Now, I suppose it’s too much to hope that the near constant abuse he takes around here might eventually drive the half-witted wretch from the boards. That’s sort of the irony that’s inherent in **gonzomax** : if he possessed the smallest quantum of self-awareness, he’d consider that he’s probably wasting his time in a place where even the one guy who’s willing to stand up for him isn’t shy about calling him an idiot. But then, if he had that level of self-awareness, his possession of a single redeeming quality would render him slightly tolerable, and there’d be no pressing desire for him to vanish into the nether regions of the internet, never again to darken our ISPs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107.md?page=7)