# ...because you are too stupid for words (a Gonzomax pitting) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 23, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107 "2009-04-23T15:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/161 "2009-04-24T16:29:54Z")
[QUOTE=Senor Beef] …This is a mischaracterization. I assume you’re referring to “assault weapons” threads in which gun advocates attempt to reveal the lies of the gun control lobby. Essentially “this is what they’re trying to make you think they’re banning. They’re not. This is what they’re banning”. It’s an attempt to counter the deception and deliberate spreading of ignorance of gun control advocates. They try to discredit it as nitpicking or something, but it’s not - their entire line of attack relies on deceiving people about what they’re actually doing, and this is an issue that I’d think even intelligent gun control advocates could side with us on. When I advocate a position, I hate when other people on my side lie. I’d hope that some of you would have the same character… [/QUOTE] Well, didn’t you say this? Doesn’t it strike you as rather odd to be calling for civility and restraint in debate from the Brady Bunch when you accuse people of deliberately lying in order to foster an evil agenda? That’s some pretty strong shit, no? Not claiming that someone is wrong, not claiming that they misunderstood some data point or another, but that they are lying and conspiring to lie! What, they have a secret newsletter they pass around covertly, advising what talking points to lie about? Have you any proof of this? Outside of a malicious failing to agree with you, what have you got? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/162 "2009-04-24T17:40:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, didn’t you say this? Doesn’t it strike you as rather odd to be calling for civility and restraint in debate from the Brady Bunch when you accuse people of deliberately lying in order to foster an evil agenda? Your straw men are usually somewhat less transparent than this. I did not call for “civility and restraint”, I characterized them as dishonest. If anything, I was calling for honesty. I would prefer them to be quite rude and honest to polite liars. Ah, but then, if you say I’m calling for “civility”, then you can make up ‘you call for civility and then call them liars! hypocrite!’ out of thin air. > [@](#): > > That’s some pretty strong shit, no? Not claiming that someone is wrong, not claiming that they misunderstood some data point or another, but that they are lying and conspiring to lie! What, they have a secret newsletter they pass around covertly, advising what talking points to lie about? > > Have you any proof of this? Outside of a malicious failing to agree with you, what have you got? Do you seriously contend that the gun control lobby deliberately mischaracterizes the guns they intend to label “assault weapons”? This is so patently obvious that you’d damage your credibility to deny it if you had any. The very term “assault weapon” is manipulative and deceptive. It’s intended to sound like “assault rifle”, but since that term actually has a definition that has little to do with what they intend to do, they had to make up a similar term. But they want the public to think that weapons covered under the assault weapons ban are “machine guns” because it evokes a much stronger reaction. There’s constantly talk from politicians and gun controllers about how “the weapons of military battlefields shouldn’t be on our streets”, when news shows report on anything relating to the assault weapons bans they typically show video clips of actual assault rifles that wouldn’t be covered under the ban. You can see from threads on these boards that even among relatively well educated people there’s the notion of “why would you oppose the assault weapons ban? what do you need a machine gun for?” Here’s a difference between you and I. When I see a deceptive or manipulative tactic used to support a position I hold, I’m dissapointed by it. I don’t support it. I don’t think it’s good or necesary. My positions are those of introspection and reason to the best of my abilities, so they should not require deception to support. As such, I won’t defend someone on here who happens to share the same outlook as me if I view their arguments as manipulative or if they lie. The facts and logic are on my side - and that’s why I’ve come to support my position - so why would I need to deceive to support my agenda? You, on the other hand, seem to accept deception and manipulation as valid means so long as you’re convinced that the ends they persue are worthwhile. You’ll defend another poster whose arguments are full of shit if he shares the same ideology. I think this is probably an example of that. I also think on some level you know the gun control lobby deliberately attempts to confuse “assault weapon” and “assault rifle” and “machine gun”, but you think that if the bans were passed it would ultimately be for the better so you support the underhanded tactics. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/163 "2009-04-24T17:41:45Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Yeah, that was lame. "You don’t use ‘too’ or ‘to’ correctly…therein lies the thread hypocrisy about **gonzomax**! > > Okaaaayyyy… I know the difference between two, to and too. It is just XT going outside the subject ,to make a irrelevant remark and being stupid enough to think he has buttressed his argument. Insults offer no info about me at all. They just show who and what XT is. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/164 "2009-04-24T17:50:22Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > You, on the other hand, seem to accept deception and manipulation as valid means so long as you’re convinced that the ends they persue are worthwhile. Point of fact: he’s gone on the record, clearly, as supporting outright deliberate lying for the positions he champions. [ > [@](#): > > There’s a lot I like about Jimmy, and very little that I understand. One of the things I like about him is how lightly he seems to consider himself. > > So, maybe he was lying. Maybe he thought the pursuit of peace might be better served if he lied. Diplomats do it all the time, we expect them to. When they are successful, the sophisticated falsehood can circumvent the savage honesty of war. War is grim reality, “truth” hardly more than a philosopher’s plaything. > > If he flat out lied in pursuit of peace, I could not possibly condemn him. If, however, as has been suggested, it is all part of a plot to undermine the State of Israel, that would be quite different. As it happens, I don’t believe that. I think he is sincerely making an effort to help bring this unending tragedy to a close. If he has to lie to do it, I don’t see him hesitating for a second. > > And may the Goddess nestle him in the bounty of Her bosom, all the days of his life, amen. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9711639&postcount=208](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9711639&postcount=208)) > [@gonzomax](#): > > Insults offer no info about me at all. Try to keep up Gonz. Your behavior offers vast amounts of information about you… from which we get the insults which accurately describe your behavior. > [@gonzomax](#): > > They just show who and what XT is. Someone who does not tolerate smarmy, condescending idiots well. Shocking. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/165 "2009-04-24T17:56:04Z")
Whoops, wrong post linked. [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9711634&postcount=208) is the right one. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/166 "2009-04-24T18:04:57Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > …If anything, I was calling for honesty. I would prefer them to be quite rude and honest to polite liars… All right then honesty. Works as well. > [@](#): > > …Ah, but then, if you say I’m calling for “civility”, then you can make up ‘you call for civility and then call them liars! hypocrite!’ out of thin air… Please submit your Certificate of Telepathy for examination. > [@](#): > > …Do you seriously contend that the gun control lobby deliberately mischaracterizes the guns they intend to label “assault weapons”? This is so patently obvious that you’d damage your credibility to deny it if you had any… I’m pretty sure this is what you contend. Read it again, you zigged when you meant to zag. But you are hoist on your own retard. You (reasonably enough) contend that most Americans are ignorant of the technical differences between various weapons. But you don’t explain why we should care, if a weapon is “automatic” in the commonly understood sense, if it is to some degree very much like a “machine gun”, then the minor technical parsing is of interest only to a specialist, a hobbyist, or _aficianado_. Why in the world should I care if the weapon is, at the finest point, an “assault weapon” or merely an exceptionally dangerous weapon? > [@](#): > > The very term “assault weapon” is manipulative and deceptive. It’s intended to sound like “assault rifle”, …why would you oppose the assault weapons ban? what do you need a machine gun for?" Not all ignorance is the result of malice or disinformation. Some of it has to do more with not giving a rat’s patoot about a subject that you are passionately devoted to. > [@](#): > > …Here’s a difference between you and I. When I see a deceptive or manipulative tactic used to support a position I hold, I’m disappointed by it… Well, yes, of course, you are an honest and straight forward person, and I disagree with you. Case closed. Is this the integrity you wish us to bring, the lack of which you find so disappointing? > [@](#): > > … so they should not require deception to support… so why would I need to deceive to support my agenda? Thus far, you have only offered your telepathic powers to support this accusation. > [@](#): > > …You, on the other hand, seem to accept deception and manipulation as valid means so long as you’re convinced that the ends they pursue are worthwhile. You’ll defend another poster whose arguments are full of shit if he shares the same ideology. I think this is probably an example of that. I also think on some level you know the gun control lobby deliberately attempts to confuse “assault weapon” and “assault rifle” and “machine gun”, but you think that if the bans were passed it would ultimately be for the better so you support the underhanded tactics. This is honesty in your book? A bald statement of “fact”, based entirely on your LaMont Cranston Secret Telepathy Ring. You are clearly not a stupid man, but this is a very poor argument. Unless, of course, you actually have a Certificate of Telepathy to offer? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/167 "2009-04-24T18:24:41Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Point of fact: he’s gone on the record, clearly, as supporting outright deliberate lying for the positions he champions… What a sad and dark little world you infest, that you nurture grudges for a hobby. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/168 "2009-04-24T18:25:36Z")
You’ve been on the Internet for \*how \*long? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/169 "2009-04-24T18:44:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Please submit your Certificate of Telepathy for examination. You mischaracterized what I said entirely. In the post I responded to, I did not say that I was calling for the gun control lobby to display civility and restraint, yet that is the straw man you created and attributed to me. You then tried to say that because I was calling for civility and restraint, then I’m being a hypocrite since I’m accusing them of lying. Even that does not follow - if someone’s lying, they’re lying. You can call them on it without being uncivil. So not only was the whole thing a straw man, but it wasn’t even a logical tear down of the straw man you created. > [@](#): > > I’m pretty sure this is what you contend. Read it again, you zigged when you meant to zag. I just meant that it’s plainly obvious that they deliberately mischaracterize the things they wish to ban. We both know it. Why do we have to play the game of proving something we both know? > [@](#): > > But you are hoist on your own retard. You (reasonably enough) contend that most Americans are ignorant of the technical differences between various weapons. But you don’t explain why we should care, if a weapon is “automatic” in the commonly understood sense, if it is to some degree very much like a “machine gun”, then the minor technical parsing is of interest only to a specialist, a hobbyist, or _aficianado_. Why in the world should I care if the weapon is, at the finest point, an “assault weapon” or merely an exceptionally dangerous weapon? You advocate laws banning something, and yet admit that you don’t actually know or care about why that thing should be banned? It’s not a minor technical detail. We’re not talking about "the chamber is actually 2 3/8th inches deep, not 2 1/2. We’re talking about whether the guns fire fully automatically when you pull the trigger. That is a very basic issue about function, not technical minutia. Your whole notion here seems to be ‘these things feel like they’re bad, why sweat the details?’ which is pretty much the agenda at work here. > [@](#): > > Not all ignorance is the result of malice or disinformation. Some of it has to do more with not giving a rat’s patoot about a subject that you are passionately devoted to. The people I spoke of, who are deliberately spreading disinformation, are lawmakers who write or push these laws and organizations dedicated to restricting gun ownership. They certainly care and understand what they’re trying to do. > [@](#): > > Well, yes, of course, you are an honest and straight forward person, and I disagree with you. Case closed. Is this the integrity you wish us to bring, the lack of which you find so disappointing? My point was not merely that you disagreed, but that you were willing to support dishonest tactics if you were convinced the end result was worthwhile. I was speculating on our differences in ideology, not making a case that I should automatically win the argument. > [@](#): > > Thus far, you have only offered your telepathic powers to support this accusation. > > This is honesty in your book? A bald statement of “fact”, based entirely on your LaMont Cranston Secret Telepathy Ring. > > You are clearly not a stupid man, but this is a very poor argument. Unless, of course, you actually have a Certificate of Telepathy to offer? You’re trying to give me busywork, to make me search to prove something that we, and most of the people reading this post, know are true. Do you seriously believe that gun control advocates (the people pushing these bans) don’t deliberately attempt to blur the line between the weapons affected under an assault weapon ban and the weapons used by militaries or action movies? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/170 "2009-04-24T18:52:53Z")
Oh no! I am undone by _yet another brilliant factual refutation_ from **Clowny**! The Big Red Nose of Justice has foiled my nefarious agenda. My vicious nature has been thoroughly stomped upon by the Oversize Shoes of Righteousness. Good job, **Clowny**. In before “Oh snap! Wilde?” yet a fucking gain. Obviously, when the facts show that you have gone on record as explicitly condoning lying in service of your politics (and thus showing that you don’t even have a pretense to personal credibility, as a man who’ll support others who lie for his position will provide his own lies sooner or later)… there’s totally something wrong with me for having a brain that works and a long term memory that’s accessible. Good show **Clowny** , if you respond to a factual assertion with a moronic dodge of an ad hominem, maybe people will forget the original fact itself. Ya know, the fact that you really do support liars if they’re lying for your “side”. Speaking of convenient forgetting, wasn’t there someone in the thread who referred to another poster as “vicious” and “twit”? Surely that, however, couldn’t have been you as it clearly evinces grudge holding. Why, probably done as a hobby. Now you, you’re full of a milk of human kindness, you let things just flow past you. Right? So it wasn’t you who said that. And, I’m sure there was someone in the thread who trolled the “usual suspects”, suggesting a grudge that was carried out against a whole class of posters on this message board for their “usual” conduct over time. But again, surely you’re serious in your aversion to “grudges” and not just inventing rhetoric that not even you agree with so you can be an asshole. I mean, if you had a sliding scale that allowed you to make shit up whenever you simply wanted to torque someone off, that’d be… gee, that’d be trolling. And if there’s one thing you certainly aren’t, is a troll. Certainly. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/171 "2009-04-24T19:19:06Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] I know the difference between two, to and too. [/QUOTE] Well, that’s great! I’m truly happy for you gonzo! It’s something you can certainly be proud of. > [@](#): > > It is just XT going outside the subject ,to make a irrelevant remark and being stupid enough to think he has buttressed his argument. You never actually read or follow the various posts in a thread…do you? If you did you’d know that it was Hentor that brought up this charming little grammar nazi subtext…not I. It’s not your writing style I have a problem with, or that clearly indicates you are stupid…it’s your posting style and debating style. > [@](#): > > Insults offer no info about me at all. You offer all of the info needed by the way you post, the way you debate and the comments you make. As do we all of course. > [@](#): > > They just show who and what XT is. Undoubtedly… -XT ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/172 "2009-04-24T19:19:14Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > …You advocate laws banning something, and yet admit that you don’t actually know or care about why that thing should be banned… Actually, no, I don’t, and have said so many times. Perhaps not these exact words, but the sentiment is: “Just keep the goddam things, _muzzle tov_, much good may they do you!” I think the approach of legal banning is futile and counterproductive, especially given the fanatical response such an effort would provoke. Plus, there are already millions and millions of the damn things, they won’t rot, they won’t go away, and they won’t go “poof!” when we pass a law. We’ll have to go the long, slow, hard way, we’ll have to change people’s minds (and their hearts, to some degree). It will take at least a generation, and may not be possible, even then. Do you pay any attention at all to what I say, or do you only respond to the words you put in my mouth? How can you criticize my “honesty” when you don’t even know what I said? Show me where I said that I support laws to ban guns. Double dog dare you. I’ll wait right here, take your time. The doctor says I got a good twenty-thirty years yet, so I can afford to be patient. You let me know. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/173 "2009-04-24T19:23:11Z")
Twenty-eight posts away from five pages; of course, the focus has shifted but that wasn’t in the original over/under on pages. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/174 "2009-04-24T19:25:29Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Actually, no, I don’t, and have said so many times. Perhaps not these exact words, but the sentiment is: “Just keep the goddam things, muzzle tov, much good may they do you!” I think the approach of legal banning is futile and counterproductive, especially given the fanatical response such an effort would provoke. Plus, there are already millions and millions of the damn things, they won’t rot, they won’t go away, and they won’t go “poof!” when we pass a law. [/QUOTE] FWIW, I recall you saying much the same thing in another thread. > [@](#): > > We’ll have to go the long, slow, hard way, we’ll have to change people’s minds (and their hearts, to some degree). It will take at least a generation, and may not be possible, even then. And that is the proper way to do it IMHO. The problem has been with the banning types trying to do an end run around the system and basically re-interpret the right out of existence…instead of doing it the way you suggest and then using the system as it was designed to amend the Amendment. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/175 "2009-04-24T19:30:11Z")
xtisme, It isn’t a matter of being a “grammar nazi,” it’s Gaudere’s Law. That is of course until you just came right out and said that the distinction between the two doesn’t even matter to you. Then it became neither what you seem to think is nazism, nor Gaudere’s Law, but just plain willful ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/176 "2009-04-24T19:35:53Z")
Gaudere’s Law states that if you point out flaws in someone else’s spelling/grammar, you’ll probably make at least one yourself in that post. How is that relevant? Did XT criticize The Gonz’ grammar? Or was it his behavior? And are you again letting your rhetoric get away with you? “Grammar Nazi” is as much a comparison with National Socialism as “man she’s smoking hot” is a comment about a woman’s flammable properties. P.S. he never said that the distinction between the two didn’t matter (and I doubt you honestly missed that fact). He said that he was focusing on The Gonz’ behavior and habit of messing up threads with his smarmy idiocy and not their spelling abilities. Why misrepresent XT’s position to make your claims? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/177 "2009-04-24T19:36:13Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > …instead of doing it the way you suggest and then using the system as it was designed to amend the Amendment… Nope, not even that. Don’t propose to do anything at all about the 2nd Amendment, except perhaps to enshrine it for future generations as an example of the perils of ambiguity. Don’t change the guns, don’t change the laws, change the people. The Amish can buy just as many assault rifles as anyone, they simply don’t. And amazingly, they are yet to be murdered in their beds. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/178 "2009-04-24T19:40:03Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] It isn’t a matter of being a “grammar nazi,” it’s Gaudere’s Law. [/QUOTE] Yes, thank you, I’m aware of it…shocking I know in someone you think can barely tie his shoes in the morning. > [@](#): > > That is of course until you just came right out and said that the distinction between the two doesn’t even matter to you. Well, you’d perhaps have a point if I actually had criticized gonzo in this OP about his grammar, spelling, syntax or whatever. Unfortunately for you I didn’t do that. In fact, in generally I NEVER do that…except in a teasing and ironic sort of way, seeing as how my own is so bad. > [@](#): > > Then it became neither what you seem to think is nazism, nor Gaudere’s Law, but just plain willful ignorance. Sort of like the willful ignorance you are displaying in continuing to beat this dead horse? Yeah…I see that Hentor. My guess is that nearly everyone (gonzomax excepted) sees that at this point. -XT ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107/179 "2009-04-24T19:42:49Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Nope, not even that. Don’t propose to do anything at all about the 2nd Amendment, except perhaps to enshrine it for future generations as an example of the perils of ambiguity. [/QUOTE] Then I disagree with you. The right thing to do, assuming it’s what the people want, would be to amend or strike down the Amendment…not to ignore it or go around it. What use a Constitution if parts of it are simply ignored? > [@](#): > > Don’t change the guns, don’t change the laws, change the people. The Amish can buy just as many assault rifles as anyone, they simply don’t. And amazingly, they are yet to be murdered in their beds. If the people change then their laws and government should change. When slavery became unacceptable we didn’t just leave all the laws and usages on the books but ignore them…we changed them. This would be much the same IMHO. -XT ---
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> [@FinnAgain](#): > > P.S. he never said that the distinction between the two didn’t matter (and I doubt you honestly missed that fact). > [@xtisme](#): > > As for ‘to’ vs ‘too’…well, I’m a bit disinterested in the distinction to be honest. I already know I can’t spell, I can’t write, my prose sucks, blah blah blah…and honestly compels me to say I don’t really give a rats ass about it. C’est la vie… Bzzzt. Dumbass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/because-you-are-too-stupid-for-words-a-gonzomax-pitting/494107.md?page=10)