# ® Before E in STRAIGHT DOPE **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 27, 2002, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083 "2002-12-27T02:29:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Splanky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@Splanky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Splanky)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/1 "2002-12-27T02:29:07Z")
I noticed that on the Board’s banner (it’s right above you) it says THE STRAIGHT DOP®E. Why is this? I always see it at the end of the phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Splanky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@Splanky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Splanky)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/2 "2002-12-27T02:30:16Z")
‘I always see it at the end of the phrase.’ I was referring to the ®, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/3 "2002-12-27T02:38:58Z")
Because it wouldn’t fit. Logos are often oddly-shaped, so the registration symbol goes wherever they can fit it. Cf. [The Tonka logo](http://www.hasbropreschool.com/images/tonka/tonka_new_banner2.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Splanky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@Splanky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Splanky)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/4 "2002-12-27T03:05:23Z")
Aah. Thanks. I guess I was thinking too hard :). ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/5 "2002-12-27T03:59:21Z")
It would fit, but the banner would have to be extended a bit. Besides Tonka, Pepsi is another company I can thing of with unique ® placement. After the second P. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/6 "2002-12-27T14:18:25Z")
It’s one of those illuminati things. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/7 "2002-12-27T22:42:53Z")
`® before E except after C, or when it says `eh’, as in `neighbor' and `weigh.’’ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/8 "2002-12-28T04:41:55Z")
How do you make that little “®” sign? My keyboard doesn’t have an “®”. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/9 "2002-12-28T04:45:48Z")
It’s “Alt” + 0174. Like so: ® There are a number of numerical codes with Alt that make special symbols such as that one. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/10 "2002-12-28T05:22:16Z")
[FAQ - technical issues - please read this BEFORE posting a question](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1956119#post1956119) > [@](#): > > **Special Characters** > > For special characters, you can use the [HTML Name codes or Number codes](http://home.earthlink.net/~awinkelried/keyboard_shortcuts.html), or use the method appropriate for your operating system. > On the Windows operating system, you can copy and paste special characters from Character Map (one of the items in the start menu). Character Map will also show you the ASCII value for that character, and you can create the character by holding down the ALT key and typing in the ASCII value on your numeric keypad. > On MacOS, you can copy and paste special characters from KeyCaps (one of the items in the Apple Menu.) Hold down the option key and the shift-option keys to see the special characters. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/before-e-in-straight-dope/145083/11 "2002-12-28T05:36:22Z")
I suggest using the following: ® It can be found in Arnold’s link, it’s standards-compliant, it’s system-independent, and best of all, it’s easier to remember. 🙂