# begbert2 cannot debate like an adult

**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/begbert2-cannot-debate-like-an-adult/506167
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 12, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/begbert2-cannot-debate-like-an-adult/506167 "2009-08-12T13:02:02Z")
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### Author: ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/begbert2-cannot-debate-like-an-adult/506167/27 "2009-08-14T21:59:07Z")

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> [@Mijin](#):
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> Nonsense. Why was the line about “if you understand my position, then you know the answer to the question” significant?  
> I couldn’t put every line of the thread in here, and that line does nothing to justify you dodging the question.

I’d already answered it a dozen times - at that point you were either deliberately trying to muddle the issue, or were terminally stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and responding as if you weren’t lying about understanding my position, at least a little, which would mean that you could not possibly not know the answer to that question.

Also, I was getting tired of the dumbass juvenile games you were playing.

> [@Mijin](#):
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> Well, your position kept changing.

No, I’m afraid it didn’t. I just kept using different words to explain it in the vain hopes you’d understand it. It didn’t work.

> [@Mijin](#):
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> I still don’t understand why you brought all that attitude to the thread. I wanted a serious debate, as I do with other posters almost daily.

Is that why you started qouting that bit you STILL fail to comprehend over and over like some kind of sixth grader?

You brought the attitude first.

You will now deny that. I will not give a shit that you do, because I know better. I’m sure **ivn1188** will believe you though - assuming he’s still following this thread, anyway.

> [@Mijin](#):
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> You were being an ass though trying to argue the point as though I was saying the opposite, provoking yet another pointless exchange.  
> And it isn’t a straw man because _some_ Egoists really reason that because people say “I enjoy X”, then that is sufficient proof that X is not selfless.  
> I’m not accusing any _individual_ of saying that.

Are you getting confused by your own slashed-up paraphrases? The strawman in question was:

> [@Why are we alive?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-we-alive/504200/119):
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> 1. Getting our own way tends to make us happy. But that is _never_ the reason for doing something.  
> If you were losing a war, you wouldn’t think “OK, I’m going to make _losing_ be my objective so I can experience the happiness of getting my way!”.

Of course, NO Egoists think that people decide that losing a war was their idea to make themselves happy. That’s retarded. It’s retarded to even suggest it. And it is _definitely_ a strawman.

And either _you_ were being an ass by floating that stupid strawman, or you’re so dumb you don’t even understand the simplistic hedonistic Egoist position. (Which would kind of explain why you were completely unable to grasp my argument - it’s actually a tiny bit tricky! If you turn your head sideways and squint just right, anyway.)

> [@Why are we alive?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-we-alive/504200/119):
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> The reason I persevered through that thread for so long is because you are sooo wrong. And at some level you must know it. You must be aware of how much your position shifted over the course of the thread; it’s there in black and white (and blue).

You’re projecting again.

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