# Being a butt-calling racist is not conducive for employment **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571 "2013-05-28T19:25:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/101 "2013-05-31T00:04:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > When does a server use gas? On a commute? Yeah, like everyone else. A delivery driver is using gas and putting miles on his car the whole time he’s working. If you are gonna bitch the numbers may be off because some costs are not included, then you have to play by those rules. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Food service establishments almost invariably issue uniforms free of charge to make sure their employees look clean - and you don’t think drivers get cut early? They often don’t issue free uniforms. Yes, drivers do it cut early, but there is far less downtime given that most places only delivery during busy hours. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The median net income for servers is far higher. Trust me, I would have taken a job waiting tables in a second if I could have found one. It’s higher because there are no high-end pizza delivery man jobs to speak of. There are plenty of places where the average restaurant bill is over $50. How many people get even $40 of pizza delivered? Do you know any career pizza delivery men who do that by choice? Besides, even if we discount median delivery person salaries by 15% as our friend did, we are talking about a difference of 3500/year (and much of that difference can be deducted from one's taxes at IIRC .51/mile). That’s $3500/year even though the median for servers skews higher since they take into account people who work at Alinea and The French Laundry. I would bet the real net difference between pizza delivery people, and servers who work at restaurants with similar bill totals is fairly negligible. ---
**Author:** ![drew870mitchell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drew870mitchell/32/3946_2.png) [@drew870mitchell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drew870mitchell)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/102 "2013-05-31T00:09:10Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > There were a few hot chicks who’d “tip” by answering the door in various states of undress, and I was offered a bit more than a view by one. Had to decline, though. That must have been irritating as hell. “No miss, I’ve seen naked women before, I’d rather have your cash.” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/103 "2013-05-31T00:12:56Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > It’s higher because there are no high-end pizza delivery man jobs to speak of. There are plenty of places where the average restaurant bill is over $50. Fair point. I had not considered that. > [@drew870mitchell](#): > > That must have been irritating as hell. “No miss, I’ve seen naked women before, I’d rather have your cash.” I like to think of it as humanizing. I saw her as more than just a piece of meat. Not that I didn’t stare at her tits. ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/104 "2013-05-31T00:17:32Z")
No, I have never waited tables. Maybe it is a bad comparison All I’m saying is the customer should expect to pay for the price of the trip as well as a tip. As you have pointed out, the average sedan gets .60 cents to the mile. Lets say you travel 10 miles round trip. That’s $6 in gas. So you get a $15 pizza and only tip 15% giving you a grand total of $17.25. The driver gets 2.25 but you take away the 6 and add the minimum wage and the driver only makes $3.5 an hour. You save $6 and the driver makes three but I’m the one being absurd here. Luckily, drivers typically go out with 2 or 3 orders and customers tip more than 15%, otherwise no one would do it. ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/105 "2013-05-31T00:23:44Z")
Nm ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/106 "2013-05-31T00:40:53Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > No, I have never waited tables. Maybe it is a bad comparison It is. I don’t say that to be an asshole because you generally seem like a reasonable guy, but the jobs aren’t really any more comparable than a plethora of other service jobs. > [@panaccione](#): > > All I’m saying is the customer should expect to pay for the price of gas as well as a tip. As you have pointed out, the average sedan gets .60 cents to the mile. Lets say you travel 10 miles round trip. That’s $6 in gas. No, the 60 cents is for the overall costs of car ownership per mile. That includes wear and tear, insurance, gas, etc. Miles per gallon for the average new car is about 25mpg. Gas is about $3.70 nationally. So gas to drive 10 miles costs roughly $1.50. Plus, any pizza place that allows drivers to clock 10 miles per delivery is woefully inefficient. Most of the time, the driver will make several stops on one outing. > [@panaccione](#): > > So you get a $15 pizza and only tip 15% giving you a grand total of $17.25. The driver gets 2.25 but you take away the 6 and add the minimum wage and the driver only makes $3.5 an hour. You save $6 and the driver makes three but I’m the one being absurd here. Luckily, drivers typically go out with 2 or 3 orders and customers tip more than 15%, otherwise no one would do it. As I said before, you don’t take away the $6 (even though it almost never that much). First, as you noted, most single deliveries are not 10 miles. Second, the pizza place usually reimburses drivers per delivery to offset fuel and other costs. Third, the mileage on one’s car is tax deductible at [55.5](http://economy.blog.ocregister.com/2012/01/15/tax-tips-when-can-i-deduct-gas-expenses/102241/) cents per mile, or you can deduct your actual expenses up to a point. The bottom line is that pizza delivery people are not getting hosed because people are not tipping them based on what it would otherwise cost them to pick up their food. I think most service jobs suck on some level, but there is no reason to think pizza delivery guys are anywhere near the bottom of that heap. Certainly not if they think a $5 tip on a $15 bill is cheap or insufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/107 "2013-05-31T00:53:27Z")
_ahem_ No pizza guy is itemizing deductions. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/108 "2013-05-31T01:10:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > _ahem_ No pizza guy is itemizing deductions. Many do as it is often a second job. ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/109 "2013-05-31T01:26:56Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > Many do as it is often a second job. Wish I’d had known that 4 years ago! ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/110 "2013-05-31T10:25:24Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Yes you are. For $15 I’d give the guy a $50 and tell him to keep the change because I am a good white person. Americans are so cheap..:rolleyes: . Why do you think we have € 500 notes over here, if not to tip the pizza guy (also, of course, we let him keep the pizza). ---
**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/111 "2013-05-31T13:01:53Z")
If you’re a pizza guy itemizing deductions, you better include those tips. Which is why I’ve never known a pizza guy to itemize deductions, although it has been a while since I was in the business. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/112 "2013-06-04T03:51:15Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > The only way for this guy to have “butt dialed” a customer is if he saved that customers phone number on his phone. > > Why would he do that? The customers phone number is on the receipt… I use a Tracfone and if you hit the talk button it brings up your previous dials. Your most recent dial is therefore one talk button away from being re-dialed. I have to call about 20% of my customers for one reason or another- they gave the wrong address, we’re out of an item they wanted, they didn’t leave a gate code, they didn’t answer the door when I knocked and rang the door bell, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571/113 "2013-06-04T03:57:38Z")
> [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](#): > > I once asked a pizza delivery driver I know how much I should tip. He said 20%, with a minimum of $5.00. So a $5.00 tip is good for that small of a purchase, IMO. It’s more than good. You’re in the 95th percentile of tippers there. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > 20 percent minimum just like anything else is a good tip. Unless the weather is hellish, in which case 40 percent for delivery. Nothing like a great hot fresh pizza when there is a nasty storm. And let me tell you, when they show up at my place during a storm, they have the biggest grins on their faces. They keep track of who is a good tipper. That’s quite generous, and yes we do. In response to the OP’s racist rant guy: 1. Racist rant butt dial deserves to get fired, yessir. Nobody should have to have such messages left on their machine at home, or even have to listen to them at all since they’re a paying customer. Yes, even if they didn’t tip. They’re assholes, but using the N-word is not necessary. 2. I didn’t hear the recording. I am not aware of anyone who would ever complain about a 5 dollar tip, even for large orders. 3. If he is complaining about a five dollar tip in addition to being a well-known racist ass, he’s gonna have fun begging Burger King for a job. Then he can work a fryer next to Jamal, earning even less per hour than he was. That will be a fun and rehabilitating experience for him, and make him appreciate what he once had. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-butt-calling-racist-is-not-conducive-for-employment/659571.md?page=5)