# Being a Tattooed Asshole - A Legal Debate **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 27, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594 "2012-07-27T18:29:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/1 "2012-07-27T18:29:05Z")
Consider the following scenario - Joe Smith is an asshole. Keep this in mind. For a while, Joe was married, but it didn’t last long. His former spouse, Mary, claims that the relationship was never consummated, because Joe could never perform sexually unless she dressed up as Little Bo Peep and he wore an old sheepskin. Joe denies this, and says there was no real problem with their sex life. But Mary leaves him nonetheless, and filed for divorce, telling all of their mutual friends her version of the circumstances. This ticks Joe off no end, so, the day before their divorce was supposed to be finalized, he breaks into her apartment and rapes her. (He’s an asshole, remember?) Mary swears out a complaint, Joe is duly arrested, meets with his attorney, who realizes what an asshole he is and how badly the jury will react to him if he is dumb enough to take the stand, and advises Joe to plead guilty, which he does. So Joe is convicted and sentenced to three years. He serves his sentence (in full - he is not on parole). So now he is released. Mary has been granted a divorce, and has obtained a protection order saying that Joe cannot come within 500 feet of her at any time. But Joe is an asshole, and he is cheesed off because of Mary’s claims about his sexual issues. So - Joe goes to the tattoo artist and gets “I FUCKED MARY SMITH” imprinted on his forehead. Big black letters - nobody can miss it. Note that, no matter who is telling the truth, Joe’s tattoo is true - it was even established in open court, when Joe was convicted. So - [ul][li]Does Mary have any legal recourse? Joe never violates the protection order, and she can’t deny that they had sex, one way or the other. Can she get an order telling him to cover up the tattoo? [/ul][/li] [ul][li]Does the state have any legal option? Can they stop Joe from telling everyone he did something that was either legal, or that he already confessed to and served time for?[/ul][/li] Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/2 "2012-07-27T18:33:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So - > Does Mary have any legal recourse? Joe never violates the protection order, and she can’t deny that they had sex, one way or the other. Can she get an order telling him to cover up the tattoo? Change her name back to her maiden name? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/3 "2012-07-27T18:37:13Z")
Yeah, short of changing her name, I don’t think there’s much Mary can do. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/4 "2012-07-27T18:46:00Z")
Mary should change her name, and buy a prize winning show-sheep and change it’s name to “Mary Smith” and pay for billboards emblazened with the aforementioned sheep in the community where Joe lives. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/5 "2012-07-27T18:48:15Z")
Freedom of speech, man. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/6 "2012-07-27T18:48:41Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Change her name back to her maiden name? Gotta admit, that didn’t occur to me. Maybe she could change her name to Mary Gambolputty de von Ausfern -schplenden -schlitter -crasscrenbon -fried -digger -dangle -dungle -burstein -von -knacker -thrasher -apple -banger -horowitz -ticolensic -grander -knotty -spelltinkle -grandlich -grumblemeyer -spelterwasser -kürstlich -himbleeisen -bahnwagen -gutenabend -bitte -eine -nürnburger -bratwustle -gerspurten -mit -zweimache -luber -hundsfut -gumberaber -shönendanker -kalbsfleisch -mittler -raucher von Hautkopft of Ulm. But suppose she doesn’t want to go that far. Can she do anything about the tattoo? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![lawbuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lawbuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawbuff)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/7 "2012-07-27T18:50:05Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So - > [ul][li]Does Mary have any legal recourse? Joe never violates the protection order, and she can’t deny that they had sex, one way or the other. Can she get an order telling him to cover up the tattoo? [/ul][/li] > [ul][li]Does the state have any legal option? Can they stop Joe from telling everyone he did something that was either legal, or that he already confessed to and served time for?[/ul][/li] > Regards, > Shodan For the state to order Joe to remove or cover it up, they need to show his 1st AM rights will not be violated. The Police Power must abide by the 1st AM. While the govt. itself can not constitutionally attach a “badge of infamy/disgrace” to an individual without Due Process, an individual is free to do so, as long as the words/action are protected. Any TORT action of an individual nature by Mary, is or may be, another matter. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/8 "2012-07-27T19:03:39Z")
What tort might Joe have committed? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/9 "2012-07-27T19:07:35Z")
I seem to recall a real life case sorta along these lines but it involved a boyfriend/girlfriend thing and a billboard but I forget the details or how it ended up. ---
**Author:** ![lawbuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lawbuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawbuff)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/10 "2012-07-27T19:10:27Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > What tort might Joe have committed? > > Regards, > Shodan Good question, while my state does not recognize the tort of HUMILIATION, some may? Also Mental Anguish? It is possible a claim for Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress is available? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/11 "2012-07-27T19:26:47Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I seem to recall a real life case sorta along these lines but it involved a boyfriend/girlfriend thing and a billboard but I forget the details or how it ended up. was[this](http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billboard-lands-mexico-man-court-girlfriend/story?id=13783668#.UBLqdaN6Daohttp://) what you were thinking of? > [@](#): > > The billboard has a photo ofGreg Fultz holding the outline of a baby with a playground in the background. The large text beside the photo reads, “This Would Have Been a Picture Of My 2-Month Old Baby If The Mother Had Decided To NOT KILL Our Child!” It was what first crossed my mind when I read the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/12 "2012-07-27T19:50:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Gotta admit, that didn’t occur to me. > > Maybe she could change her name to Mary Gambolputty de von Ausfern -schplenden -schlitter -crasscrenbon -fried -digger -dangle -dungle -burstein -von -knacker -thrasher -apple -banger -horowitz -ticolensic -grander -knotty -spelltinkle -grandlich -grumblemeyer -spelterwasser -kürstlich -himbleeisen -bahnwagen -gutenabend -bitte -eine -nürnburger -bratwustle -gerspurten -mit -zweimache -luber -hundsfut -gumberaber -shönendanker -kalbsfleisch -mittler -raucher von Hautkopft of Ulm. > > **But suppose she doesn’t want to go that far**. Can she do anything about the tattoo? > > Regards, > Shodan I know it’s a hypothetical, but surely changing your name back after divorce is not ‘going far’ - especially not if you were raped during marriage? In fact, I have difficulty imagining that any woman would keep her ex-husband’s name after divorce, even if they parted ways amicably. But then I have trouble understanding why anyone would change their name in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/13 "2012-07-27T20:08:17Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I seem to recall a real life case sorta along these lines but it involved a boyfriend/girlfriend thing and a billboard but I forget the details or how it ended up. Google helped me - [here’s the latest](http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billboard-lands-mexico-man-court-girlfriend/story?id=13783668#.UBL0ZqBMf0Q) I could find on the case. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/14 "2012-07-27T20:44:19Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > I know it’s a hypothetical, but surely changing your name back after divorce is not ‘going far’ - especially not if you were raped during marriage? In fact, I have difficulty imagining that any woman would keep her ex-husband’s name after divorce, even if they parted ways amicably. But then I have trouble understanding why anyone would change their name in the first place. To take this question off the table, perhaps we should assume that Joe’s last name is actually Jones. Smith is indeed Mary’s maiden name, which she did not change when married. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/15 "2012-07-27T20:45:19Z")
IANAL, but as a layman, I think she could probably hit him with a civil suit, claiming intentional infliction of emotional distress. If that’s a thing. And I would be begging my lawyer to get his ass on the stand. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/16 "2012-07-27T21:01:19Z")
**Tom** is right - Mary kept her maiden name even during the marriage. That pissed Joe off as well. But, “intentional infliction of emotional distress”. Assuming it’s a real tort - [ul][li]Does Mary have to show damages? I assume she would need her psychiatrist to testify she was upset in some significant way apart from the aftermath of the rape and the marriage. [/li][li]Can Mary only recover monetary damages, or can she have the court order someone to take a belt sander to Joe’s forehead? [/li][li]Suppose Joe suggests a compromise. He will change the “I FUCKED” part to “I HAD SEX WITH”. Would that allay the tort?[/ul][/li] Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/17 "2012-07-27T21:08:05Z")
By marrying Joe in the first place, didn’t she publicly state her intention to consummate? Couldn’t he argue that he’s only confirming the completion of an act that she told everyone she intended to commit? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/18 "2012-07-27T21:19:50Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > By marrying Joe in the first place, didn’t she publicly state her intention to consummate? Couldn’t he argue that he’s only confirming the completion of an act that she told everyone she intended to commit? Yeah. Mary tracks Joe down, chloroforms him, and adds the following to his tattoo: WE WERE MARRIED, AND I HAVE A TINY DICK. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/19 "2012-07-27T21:34:09Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Google helped me - [here’s the latest](http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billboard-lands-mexico-man-court-girlfriend/story?id=13783668#.UBL0ZqBMf0Q) I could find on the case. The case [has been ruled on, but may be undergoing appeal](http://www.alamogordonews.com/ci_18824123?IADID=Search-www.alamogordonews.com-www.alamogordonews.com) > [@](#): > > Twelfth Judicial District Judge James Waylon Counts on Tuesday ordered Greg A. Fultz to be restrained from posting any future billboards about his and Nani Lawrence’s past relationship. > > Counts also restrained Fultz from posting any comments, photographs of Lawrence or blog sites about their relationship on the Internet. The Order of Protection expires Aug. 24, 2012. > > Fultz is also prohibited from contacting Lawrence by telephone and in person. He must also stay 100 feet away from her, her home and workplace. In a public place Fultz must stay at least 25 feet away from Lawrence. It appears the specific ruling was the billboard constituted harassment and an invasion of privacy in making public what the plaintiff did not want revealed. There were additional, more personal and specific, breeches of her privacy in some of the defendant’s online contributions. > [@](#): > > Counts said in his decision Fultz had published sensitive comments and material on the Internet about Fultz’s relationship with Lawrence “that are not relevant to the issue of fathers’ rights and abortion, and his fictitious organization on the billboard [the acronym spelled out the plaintiff’s first name] demonstrate that Fultz’s motive was to embarrass and humiliate Lawrence … efforts as part of a debate on a topic of public interest was an attempt to legitimize his abusive behavior.” The billboard was not ordered taken down, but that’s because the wheels of justice are slower than the invisible hand of the market. > [@](#): > > Fultz’s controversial anti-abortion billboard was taken down Aug. 18 because the contract with the billboard company had expired. So it would seem harassment may be a legal grounds to infringe on speech. Not sure if the tattoo, being on Joe Asshole’s body, would be more inviolate than a billboard, but it seems there is precedent, in the 12th circuit of New Mexico at least, for such an order. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/being-a-tattooed-asshole-a-legal-debate/629594/20 "2012-07-27T21:58:32Z")
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