Being searched going to jury duty..

[Bryan_Ekers]

Hey, they can take my murder-pics when they pry them from the cold dead fingers of the severed hand I keep as a trophy.

[RitterSport]

@RitterSport

Since they warn you in advance of the search, doesn’t that help make the search less unreasonable? They say, look, you have to go to jury duty and we ARE going to search you. If you show up with a kilo of cocaine and a fully automatic weapon with the serial number removed, you can’t really claim that it was an unreasonable search.

Ha! 2009 me cracks 2012 me right the hell up.

Anyway, edjew, since that time, I’ve learned about NYC’s stop-and-frisk policy, which seems far more unreasonable and exactly what you describe as unreasonable, FWIW. Also, what’s a CPL license?

[running_coach]

@RitterSport

Also, what’s a CPL license?

It’s a license to carry a Concealed Pistol License.

[April_R]

@lawbuff

A Terry stop requires a criminal offense, or any offense, may be afoot, a Terry Frisk can be conducted even during a consenual encounter.

Sounds kinky;)

[Simple_Linctus]

@Oakminster

Finally, you would be amazed at how many people get arrested at the courthouse door for stupid shit. Usually women, who have drugs in their purse, and apparently don’t seem to think that the courthouse, with the big ass signs announcing the search, uniformed officers, and a line to wait for the search, is a really bad place to take drugs.

I saw this happen at the Old Bailey (court room for the most serious criminal cases in England) once. I was going to watch a famous trial as I was in the area and bored.

The security staff just chuckled and threw away the small bit of hash they found in a girl’s purse. I don’t know if the lack of further action is because they took it from a group who I THINK were law students and so were more lax, or whether they would be that lenient on everyone.

At the Old Bailey there is a separate entrance for gallery members by the way so the staff would have known they weren’t criminals.

[Bryan_Ekers]

@lawbuff

A Terry stop requires a criminal offense, or any offense, may be afoot, a Terry Frisk can be conducted even during a consenual encounter.

@April_R

Sounds kinky;)

That might be what’s happening on that Vogue cover.

[April_R]

@Bryan_Ekers

That might be what’s happening on that Vogue cover.

I’ll have to check that out when I am not in class,

[Clothahump]

@jtgain

Okay, I understand that in modern society there are areas where a person is searched as a course of business. Flying on an airplane, going into a courthouse, etc. I’ve been told that the reason these examples aren’t in violation of the 4th amendment is because there is a choice involved.

In other words, I have no right to fly on a commercial aircraft. If I choose to fly on an airplane, I must make a choice to give up my right to privacy and submit to a search. If I wish to visit the County Clerk, I likewise have to submit to a metal detector screening as a condition of entry to the building. There is an element of choice involved.

That line of reasoning is totally bogus. We have the right to travel freely about the country, using whatever means of transportation we so desire. Exercising that right does NOT abrogate our 4th Amendment protection. No legislation passed by Congress can cause that to happen under any circumstances.

The simple fact is that every search performed at an airport in the USA is illegal and unconstitutional. The sad reality is that we can’t get it stopped because the courts turn a blind eye to it, using bogus reasoning like you stated.

[April_R]

@Clothahump

The simple fact is that every search performed at an airport in the USA is illegal and unconstitutional. The sad reality is that we can’t get it stopped because the courts turn a blind eye to it, using bogus reasoning like you stated.

? Cite?

[Boyo_Jim]

@RitterSport

Since they warn you in advance of the search, doesn’t that help make the search less unreasonable? They say, look, you have to go to jury duty and we ARE going to search you. If you show up with a kilo of cocaine and a fully automatic weapon with the serial number removed, you can’t really claim that it was an unreasonable search. Since they warn that they will search you, you don’t have a reasonable claim to an expectation of privacy.

I don’t know. IANAL.

I think exactly the opposite. If they tell you in advance they’re going to search you, wouldn’t you be less likely to be carrying contraband? So therefor the search would be less reasonable than one with no advance warning.

Now a clever man would put contraband into his own goblet, er, briefcase, knowing that another lawyer would switch briefcases, so clearly you’re not going to do that.

But, perhaps you think that’s what the OTHER lawyer thinks you’ll do, so you will put the contraband in his briefcase first, knowing you’ll end up with it because it will be switched…

Er…

[YogSothoth]

Its not unreasonable to search you, OP

[UltraVires]

@YogSosoth

Its not unreasonable to search you, OP

I understand this since I’ve been in law school during the three years since I posted the OP..

[YogSothoth]

As Rick Perry would say: Oops