# Believing in Santa. Believing in God/Satan. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 22, 2003, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544 "2003-12-22T22:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/41 "2003-12-23T21:15:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Meatros \* > \*\*And this happens to be the _Christian image_? > > Holding off on the Christian angle, if what you say is correct, then it would mean that all religions are wrong. \*\* You are absolutely correct. God belongs to no religion. Can you think of any reason why He should. Men think up religion. Love ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/42 "2003-12-23T21:29:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lekatt \* > \*\*You are absolutely correct. God belongs to no religion. Can you think of any reason why He should. Men think up religion. > > Love \*\* So Jesus doesn’t exist? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/43 "2003-12-23T22:52:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Meatros \* > \*\*So Jesus doesn’t exist? \*\* Why do you think that? Jesus taught no religion, He taught love as He understood it by “knowing” the mind of God. Those who came after Him deified Him. The Christian religion has little to do with the teachings of Jesus. Love ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/44 "2003-12-23T23:00:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lekatt \* > \*\*Why do you think that? > > Jesus taught no religion, He taught love as He understood it by “knowing” the mind of God. Those who came after Him deified Him. The Christian religion has little to do with the teachings of Jesus. > > Love \*\* So one does not need to actually believe in Jesus to go to heaven? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/45 "2003-12-23T23:01:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Meatros \* > \*\*You didn’t answer my question at all, but you brought up a new problem. > > If it’s our choice whether or not we go to Hell (I assume you mean after death), then why is there a Hell? No one would rationally choose to go there. \*\* It is our choice, and it exists because people believe in punishment. It was created by those punishment thoughts. Heaven was created by a belief in reward and created by those thoughts. God is not known to promote either one, God is love. Love ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/46 "2003-12-23T23:04:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Meatros \* > \*\*So one does not need to actually believe in Jesus to go to heaven? \*\* That is correct, but many who desire to go to Heaven soon leave it. It is very boring there, not much to do. Once you praise God for a couple hundred years and sing it gets old. Love ---
**Author:** ![spejic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f475e1/32.png) [@spejic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spejic)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/47 "2003-12-24T00:29:16Z")
Proof that Satan speaks English as his main language: 1. There have been a number of documentary films of Satan, including “South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut”, “Oh, God! You Devil”, “Rock’n with Satan”, “The Devil and Daniel Webster”, “Daredevil”, and many episodes of the Twilight Zone and always spoke English. 2. I have in my hands the Bible, the admitted Word of God. In it, Satan is speaking in English. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/48 "2003-12-24T05:33:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lekatt \* > **That is correct, but many who desire to go to Heaven soon leave it. It is very boring there, not much to do. Once you praise God for a couple hundred years and sing it gets old.** So then what? Reincarnation? Have you been to Heaven–is this how you have such information? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/49 "2003-12-24T06:00:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spejic \* > \*\*Proof that Satan speaks English as his main language: > > 1. There have been a number of documentary films of Satan, including “South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut”, “Oh, God! You Devil”, “Rock’n with Satan”, “The Devil and Daniel Webster”, “Daredevil”, and many episodes of the Twilight Zone and always spoke English. > > 2. I have in my hands the Bible, the admitted Word of God. In it, Satan is speaking in English. \*\* You’re kidding…right? ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/50 "2003-12-24T06:37:54Z")
Tsk tsk, the mocking, self-superior tone of the “skeptics” is in evidence here. Even so, I agree that a monotheistic “God” does not, in fact, exist. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/51 "2003-12-24T13:25:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lekatt \* > \*\*That is correct, but many who desire to go to Heaven soon leave it. It is very boring there, not much to do. Once you praise God for a couple hundred years and sing it gets old. > > Love \*\* You know, I could have sworn you beliefs were different-my apologies. I’m not going to derail this conversation, but I could have sworn you rejected evolution-is this the case? If it is, what is the basis for your rejection? You don’t have to go into great detail, I’m not going to argue them and I don’t want to derail this thread with a discussion on the matter-I’m just curious. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/52 "2003-12-24T13:28:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aeschines \* > \*\*Tsk tsk, the mocking, self-superior tone of the “skeptics” is in evidence here. > > Even so, I agree that a monotheistic “God” does not, in fact, exist. \*\* Interesting… What is that condition where you see traits in others that are actually present in yourself? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/53 "2003-12-24T15:33:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lekatt \* > \*\*That is correct, but many who desire to go to Heaven soon leave it. It is very boring there, not much to do. Once you praise God for a couple hundred years and sing it gets old. > > Love \*\* I’m sure that there’s going to be a lot more than that going on, Lekatt. Eye hath not seen, ear hath not heard, neither hath entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those that love Him. It’s not going to be boring. Oh, and by saying that you don’t need to believe in Jesus to go to heaven, you disagree with the Bible. John 3:16 says **whosoever believeth** should not perish. Check out John 3:36 too. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/54 "2003-12-24T18:55:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Meatros \* > \*\*You know, I could have sworn you beliefs were different-my apologies. I’m not going to derail this conversation, but I could have sworn you rejected evolution-is this the case? If it is, what is the basis for your rejection? You don’t have to go into great detail, I’m not going to argue them and I don’t want to derail this thread with a discussion on the matter-I’m just curious. \*\* I reject any and all creation type theories, how could anyone know what happened. From where came the first “atom”? Love ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/55 "2003-12-24T19:07:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lynn73 \* > \*\*I’m sure that there’s going to be a lot more than that going on, Lekatt. Eye hath not seen, ear hath not heard, neither hath entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those that love Him. It’s not going to be boring. > > Oh, and by saying that you don’t need to believe in Jesus to go to heaven, you disagree with the Bible. John 3:16 says **whosoever believeth** should not perish. Check out John 3:36 too. \*\* I see you’re back in different dress. You didn’t read my post very well. You are no more sure of what goes on in heaven than I. You know only what you read. I speak from what I experience. It is not necessary to be a Christian or even a believer in God to go to heaven. The Bible view is one culture, God’s view is universal. Know you won’t agree, your belief keeps you safe, so you think. Everyone is safe, whole, loved, and connected to God. It is just that most are not aware of it. Teach love, learn love, live love. Love ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/56 "2003-12-24T20:53:47Z")
You’re right, Lekatt, I don’t agree with you. I believe the Bible is the word if God, you may not. Therefore, for me, it has the final authority on what’s true about the afterlife, not a near death experience. Your words don’t match what the Bible says, so therefore I choose to believe the Bible. You can continiue to put your trust in the info received from your near death experience as I’m sure you will, and I’ll continue to pray for you as the Lord brings you to mind. Peace. Merry Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![IWLN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5ac83/32.png) [@IWLN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IWLN)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/57 "2003-12-24T21:21:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lynn73 \* > \*\*You’re right, Lekatt, I don’t agree with you. I believe the Bible is the word if God, you may not. Therefore, for me, it has the final authority on what’s true about the afterlife, not a near death experience. Your words don’t match what the Bible says, so therefore I choose to believe the Bible. You can continiue to put your trust in the info received from your near death experience as I’m sure you will, and I’ll continue to pray for you as the Lord brings you to mind. Peace. > > Merry Christmas. \*\* **lynn** , G-d reveals himself to us in many different ways, every day if you’re watching. The Bible is good for inspiration, but your life is where you’ll find out what you really need to know about G-d. Love ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/58 "2003-12-24T21:25:50Z")
All together now: one of us… one of us… one of us… love ---
**Author:** ![IWLN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5ac83/32.png) [@IWLN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IWLN)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/59 "2003-12-24T21:35:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tangent \* > \*\*All together now: > > one of us… one of us… one of us… > love \*\* See, isn’t that nice. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544/60 "2003-12-24T21:41:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lynn73 \* > \*\*I’m sure that there’s going to be a lot more than that going on, Lekatt. Eye hath not seen, ear hath not heard, neither hath entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those that love Him. It’s not going to be boring. > > Oh, and by saying that you don’t need to believe in Jesus to go to heaven, you disagree with the Bible. John 3:16 says **whosoever believeth** should not perish. Check out John 3:36 too. \*\* Jesus said whoever loves God and loves his neighbor will have eternal life. In the parable of the sheep and the goats he defined loving God as being _synonomous_ with loving one’s neighbor. So according to Jesus, all you have to do is love your neighbor. God doesn’t give a rat’s ass what you pray to, or if you pray at all. That is, unless God is an evil bastard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/believing-in-santa-believing-in-god-satan/220544.md?page=4)