Happy New Year to you too, IWLN.
(I’m going to go kiss my wife now) 
Okay, I’m confused. Isn’t there a controversy on the “My G-d, my G-d, why hast thou forsaken me?” and it stems from a dispute on the Aramaic name for G-d, as well as more than one meaning? Anyway the translating problems with words that had plural meanings still exist, as well as whether or not they were writing down the truth anyway.
Ok, this is a case where the authors actually quoted Jesus in Aramaic “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachtani?” (in Mark) or Hebrew “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (in Matthew).
Either way, it’s a quote from Psalm 22.
Some people think that Matthew may have chosen the Hebrew “Eli” because it sounded more similar to “Elijah” who was supposed to appear before the day of judgement (Malachi 4:5-6)
I don’t know what the controversy would be over that but Matthew and mark both contradict Luke, who quotes Jesus’ final words as “Father, into you hands I commend my spirit,” and John who quotes him as saying “It is finished.”
You are correct that many of the greek words had mutiple meanings and that some of the translations are slanted towards a certain agenda. The infamous condemnation of “homosexuals” in Corinthians, for instance is a mistranslation of two words malakos meaning “soft” (and was used to refer to those who were morally soft, including womanizers. It was not a referent for effeminate men or homosexuals) and arsenokoites, an obscure word which seems to have been coined by Paul. it means literally “male-bedder” but the suffix “bedder” was used derisively in compounds and the word really carries a tone more akin to “boy-fucker” (pardon my Greek).
Since ancient people did not have a concept of homosexuality as a fixed orientation and since Paul was adressing a culture in which married men sought out sexual relationships with teenage boys or boy prostitutes it is most probable that he was condemning pederasty and adultery rather than “homosexuality” as an exclusive orientation.
The gay issue was probably the beginning of the end for me as far as Christianity was concerned. An unfortunate sermon about this was the first time I interupted and left a church service. I’m a firm believer in that if you sit and listen to crap, you’re giving tacit agreement.
Thanks for answering the other questions.
That may be true according to your and Lekatt’s philosophy. Kind of like a create your own truth or create your own religion thing? But it isn’t the theology of Scripture. But, of course, you have ways of seeming to pick that apart or getting around it. Whatever you want to believe, it’s your choice. shrug It’s a workable theology as it is without any changes that modern man wants to make to it, imho.
That’s why the “theology of scripture” is a non-starter. it’s based on the false premise that the Bible is infallible. The Bible was written by people. Words on a page can never measure up to the certainty that comes from a true religious experience.
If Scripture conflicts with compassion then the Bible is wrong. Love is completely trustworthy, an absolute good. It can never be wrong. Love trumps the Bible.
The “theology of Scripture” is idolotry.
interesting counter to the “Virgin Birth negates Davidic lineage” argument- tho I don’t necessarily buy this, it is an interesting argument…
Basically, the miracle was that Mary conceived without having contact with Joseph. However, the sperm seed was actually Joseph’s yet Divinely translated to Mary’s womb (Divine artificial insemination).
I would still maintain that if Mary’s conceived miraculously by Divine power alone, and not using human sperm, then Mary’s Davidic heritage, being the ONLY human heritage, sufficed for JC’s physical lineage & that Joseph’s Davidic lineage gave it legal ratification.
I understand that argument, Friar, but it’s contrary to Jewish tradition. It’s one of the commonly cited Jewish arguments against the Messiahship of Jesus that he wasn’t of the male lineage of David.
Of course, the Christian definition (and criteria) for the Messiah is much diffrent than the Jewish one. Once the Messiah is redefined as a Divine redeemer of sins then the Jewish critera goes out the window.
Of course the theology of scripture is “a workable theology” for you and other christians. Works dandy for you. And the rest of the world can just go to hell. Good plan. Shrug
Love and compassion exist. Abstract as they are, their effect really is proven. They’re not just some little philosophy. The were a command from G-d. You believe that divine personal experience is false, “a deceiving spirit”; but yet this spirit has the same message of love that is in the Bible. It must be a trick.:rolleyes: Don’t you believe that G-d has any effect, contact, whatever on man today. It’s not in the Bible so it doesn’t happen? It’s your right to believe that way and mine to believe that you might have picked up a little “deceiving spirit” of your own.
I thought the big argument was that the true messiah will be a Jewish man, not a god-man?
Well that too. 
lynn Just FTR, I don’t have a problem with the NT or it’s message even up to the crucifixtion. I’m not saying I believe it necessarily, but I don’t see any difference in having that belief as opposed to some other religion. The only part that makes me angry and unfortunately makes me come across uh…snippy or sarcastic, is your interpretation of what the crucifixtion means to myself and billions of other people. Your casual shrug attitude towards the ramifications of that message is maddening. So, I’m always sorry when I’m rude, but can’t promise not to be when this subject comes up. Seems to be a reflex reaction on my part. You can just pass it off to that “deceiving spirit”, you believe I may be in possesion of.
I just wanted to let you know that this thread and the other one…"I would like someone here to prove the idea that I am not God. " are hilarious.
The geneology of Jesus through Mary:
Nice name. It wouldn’t indicate any sort of bias on your part, now would it. We are glad you’re amused. :rolleyes:
There’s many people that disagree, but even if that issue were solved; there are so many other parts of the prophecy that didn’t come true. Gather people, build temple, world peace, etc. It doesn’t matter if one thing appears to be true, when so many are not? I don’t remember if or how this was explained to me. Peace.
I’m sorry that you think I have a “casual shrug” attitude toward the ramifications of what I’m saying but I guess that’s inevitable.
I simply can’t change the message of Scripture to pacify or accomodate people because the message appears to be unpopular with some. Changing the message won’t change the truth. I don’t feel casual about it. I care, that’s why I say what I do, you just don’t realize it. If the message of the gospel is true,(and I believe it is, obviously) what kind of person would I be to come here and deny it and just say things to make you feel good? Kind of like knowing your house is on fire but doing nothing to try to get you out. I can only share what I believe to be true and I believe the Bible is true. Religion will save no one. Jesus Christ and He alone saves. But, you don’t have the same belief about the Bible as I do, so therefore we’re going to differ.
No offense is intended.
Remember, I said that not all prophecies’ time has come yet. Some are still future, such as Jesus’ return, the tribulation period,etc. John’s visions of the future in the book of Revelation. I beleive they’ll come to pass just as past prophecies have come to pass. I believe some of them are happening now, like the conditions in effect in the last days. I think we’re seeing some of those things now. Of course, I doubt you’d agree with that. Time will tell. Peace.
Prophecies that Jesus fulfilled:
http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/txh/proph.htm
No reason to believe the prophecies yet future won’t come to pass also imho.
Sorry, no. Christian apologetic pretzeling is not that convincing. there is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary was descended from David. The Gospels can’t even agree on the geneology of Joseph.
And as I said, Mary’s bloodline doesn’t matter anyway. It only counts through the father.
Once again, you’re posting a link to a site with bogus prophesies and specious associations.
Since Jesus has so far failed to fulfill any prophesies (with the exception of being Jewish) There is no reason to think he was the Messiah. Saying that he’s going to fulfill prophesies later is truly begging the question, especially since the guy has been dead for 2000 years.