# Bemused question to Libertarian **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 19, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212 "2004-03-19T15:18:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/21 "2004-03-19T18:19:30Z")
> [@Zabali\_Clawbane](#): > > . . On preview, **Triskadecamus** thank you for your kind offer. . . [spit-take]What the – ![/spit-take] **Zabali\_Clawbane** , did you just thank \*\*Triskadecamus \*\* for the exact same offer for which you are demanding an apology from **Libertarian**? An idea for which \*\*Triskadecamus \*\* gave \*\*Libertarian \*\* credit? How is \*\*Libertarian’s \*\* offer any less tactful than **Triskadecamus’**? How is \*\*Libertarian’s \*\* offer an insult requiring an apology (for which you arrogantly specified the format), while \*\*Triskadecamus’ \*\* is a “kind offer”? You obviously have it in for \*\*Libertarian \*\* for reasons other than what you’ve layed-out here. Why not be honest with us all (including yourself): flame him for the real reason you’re mad at him, and also recognize his kind offer for what it was. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/22 "2004-03-19T18:31:31Z")
In fairness to her, there had been a prior exchange about banks embroiled in a massive conspiracy to bankrupt her and tinfoil hats. Anyway, I’m glad she worked things out to her satisfaction. (Tris, it’s so good to hear from you! 🙂 If you want to visit us again in the near future, I am no longer unemployed and we are no longer serving our guests pinto beans and taking them to free breakfasts. We can entertain you better now.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/23 "2004-03-19T18:33:18Z")
Y’know, I’ve certainly had problems with **Libertarian** in the past–I think he’s the only member of the board I’ve ever pitted–but in this case, I think he was making a gracious and kind offer to you, an offer that had nothing to do with giving you charity nor demanding that you provide charity to someone else. His apologizing to you for his offer of aid was even more gracious; his not dropping the subject seems to me to be because he was sure you simply misunderstood his entirely inoffensive offer. **Zabali** , you seem like a pretty cool and reasonable person. You may want to step back, look at the situation, and evaluate whether you really understood what **Libertarian** was offering – especially since, when **Trisk** made the same offer, you thanked him for it. Surely this can be resolved amicably? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/24 "2004-03-19T18:38:54Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > > [@Libertarian](#): > > > > You didn’t want charity and I don’t need your money. Someone could have benefited from our action. Why you’re flying off the handle is your business, but I’m not to blame for your big pile of problems. > > She’s not flying off the handle, nor is she blaming you for anything. What she is[ saying is that you should just lay off of her. > > > [@Libertarian](#): > > > > Have you tried a tinfoil hat? > > Snarky comments like the one above weren’t called for, especially considering that she and her husband’s view on banks isn’t a crazy one; many financially responsible folk distrust banks for one reason or another. Had I been in similar financial strait, and after having read your unnecessary “tinfoil hat” comment, I also would have rejected your offer of help as being arrogant. Good as your intentions may be, you came across rather badly. **Libertarian** DID give offense. He then chose not to “ease up” as I had requested, but instead decided to offer his aid from on high compounding the insult. (Possibly he did not mean for his offer to have such a tone.) When I made it clear that he was offending me, he did not back down and drop the matter, he repeated the offer, using the same offensive phrasing, and tone. So, offense WAS given, in more than one way. He insulted me, then offered me aid. Then I said I found the way he offered the aid insulting giving details, and specifically stating that his phrasing was giving offense. He then repeated his offer of “kindness” using the same wording, making his second offer a backhanded insult disguised as an offer of aid. Even if the first offer was not meant to offend, he repeated it in the exact same way. That’s tactless to say the least. On preview, **rimshotgdansk** I think this post will clarify things. Sorry to disappoint you, I know you were hoping to expose another poster’s secret vendetta today, but this isn’t the case here. Yes, **Triskadecamus** was also a bit sanctimonious in his offer too. At least he showed some amount of tact, and respect for my feelings, in that he offered to correspond by e-mail etc. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/25 "2004-03-19T18:39:43Z")
> [@byter](#): > > Post on topic or lurk? He did post on topic. He was just pointing out what an insufferable twat the op is. Get over yourself. Your haughty, condescending posts are as irritating as any on this board. You want to give advice to people yet you can’t even take care of yourself. You don’t work, but you do eat and preach. You respond to any reproach to what you believe with 100 word strings of drivel. You married a teenager 10 years younger than yourself and you have to live with his parents because you can’t afford to take care of yourself. You run around with a group of teenage wannabe goths, and you all have your own secret language. I guess if I had your life, I’d be bitter too. :disgust: 100% off topic, but can you link to threads where this is happening. Not that I am doubting you at all, just that I missed them and they sound like a darn interesting read. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/26 "2004-03-19T19:10:46Z")
**byter** Seems to me as though you just skimmed some of my older posts, didn’t really ponder them, decided you didn’t like me, and waited for a chance to lambaste me. Whatever, no big loss on my part. I’ve said this before, but here goes. I have friends of ALL ages, not just teenagers. I’d say the average age of my friends is 26, but I have 60ish year old friends, and 21 year old friends. Most of my friends are 30ish though. Granted, sometimes when I go to see these friends, I end up being around their 18 year old friends. What evidence do you have, that my friends are “wannabe goths”? Why would being a goth be subject to such righteous scorn? Not all my friends have their own secret language. However, several people who are part of my husband’s circle of friends do have a way of communicating in expressive monosyllables, used on occaision. They aren’t uncommon, but far from being the only way we communicate. I did marry someone over a decade younger than me. So what? Sounds like you might have a hint of jealousy there. Just for the record, only one person (that I don’t even see any more) of my “crowd” is a teenager now. She’s married to a person that I consider my little brother. She’s poisonous to me, so I don’t go around her anymore if I can avoid it. I am bi-polar, recovering from a previous marriage that was severely abusive and which I was lucky to escape alive, and mourning the loss of my two beautiful children. This, understandably has made it even harder for me to be around “strangers” due to anxiety and trust issues. This does not make me a horrible person. I attend counseling, and am working to better myself so I can maybe get to school, and eventually have a career. I pay for rent, a share of utilities, and my own food. I pay my own medical costs. Even though I don’t have a “legitimate” job, I help out people as much as I can. I do contribute to society. I pay my bills, and am staying out of debt as much as I can. Where do you get off, saying I “can’t take care of myself”? It isn’t my fault this town has very little housing available, and what housing it does have is poor. FYI I left my apartment building because I felt it wasn’t safe. There was a bad fire there, among other things. I could live in a different apartment complex, but I value my life, and don’t want to get robbed blind. It’s full of drug dealers, and there have been shootings out there. I ask for respect, and I give respect for the most part. I am human, and do have failings, but when I do see that I have offended, I’ll apologize. Sometimes I still can’t admit that I’ve been incorrect, but this is rare. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/27 "2004-03-19T19:23:47Z")
> [@Zabali\_Clawbane](#): > > Yes, **Triskadecamus** was also a bit sanctimonious in his offer too. At least he showed some amount of tact, and respect for my feelings, in that he offered to correspond by e-mail etc. You are dim beyond belief. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/28 "2004-03-19T19:36:05Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > > [@Zabali\_Clawbane](#): > > > > Yes, Triskadecamus was also a bit sanctimonious in his offer too. At least he showed some amount of tact, and respect for my feelings, in that he offered to correspond by e-mail etc. > > You are dim beyond belief. Did you base that opinion soley on that single statement I made? You’re a pathetic, judgemental, knee jerking ass. Guess we equally like each other, eh? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/29 "2004-03-19T19:36:34Z")
Since the original purpose of this thread has been met, and the new one serves no useful purpose, it might be wise to lock this down before things get uglier. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/30 "2004-03-19T19:42:35Z")
> [@Zabali\_Clawbane](#): > > Did you base that opinion soley on that single statement I made? You’re a pathetic, judgemental, knee jerking ass. Guess we equally like each other, eh? On your OP **Zabali** , and the rest of this thread. I don’t really care much about what you think to be honest. ---
**Author:** ![Gundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Gundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gundy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/31 "2004-03-19T19:47:08Z")
> [@wakimika](#): > > What the fuck is going on? > > This is happening here and there, all over the board. > > If you want to do a good deed, do it and do it privately. Don’t make other members prostate themselves in order to be showered by your benevolence. Jesus Christ! Use email or donate to a general fund. > > Some asshat in another thread wants his little potentials to email him and explain why he should sponsor them (in 100 words or less, probably.) It’s **five** lousy dollars. If you need your metaphorical dick stroked to engage in this brotherly act of sponsorship…I don’t know what, just don’t be a wanker. Wakimika, I want to kiss you full on the mouth for saying this so beautifully. Oh! I know how I can thank you! I’ll pay for your subscription! ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/32 "2004-03-19T20:07:02Z")
I have seen a lot of silly threads on this board, but this beats everything. OP is insulted because there was some discussion with Libertarian. Lib shows up and apologizes. Lib repeats his offer to pay 5$ for OP, because she has no CC or paypal. Lib thus spends 5$ on the OP. Lib asks OP to spend also 5$ to a charity, and suggests which one he prefers = Libertarian asks the OP to spend the 5$ he otherwise would spend on that charity in his place, since he has spend it on the OP’s membership. OP still is telling the world she is insulted by the proposal of Lib. OP gets feedback from others to explain her what Lib. actually wants to say. OP is still insulted, both by Lib. and by the other members who only want to make her clear what Libertarian meant. Please do stay around OP. I shall gladly pay for your membership and you don’t even need to spend that 5$ on a charity if you don’t want to. I allready said I shall pay whatever the SDMB wants to charge for membership… Yet I do expect more of this stuff to come because this is funny as hell and unbeatable. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/33 "2004-03-19T20:15:26Z")
**Aldebaran** You are mistaken on the thought that **Libertarian** paid for my membership. He offered to, but I did not accept. ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/34 "2004-03-19T20:22:41Z")
Dear God is this horse not dead enough? Yes, I know I actually just kicked it myself. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/35 "2004-03-19T20:22:51Z")
Um, actually, I didn’t offer to pay for your membership. I offered to feed a hungry person. Since I can still do that, I’m going to. Just without your help. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/36 "2004-03-19T20:31:38Z")
**Zabali\_Clawbane** : When I opened and began reading this thread, I intended to explain politely how you’d misinterpreted **Libertarian’s** offer. Other posters have done so, clearly, thoughtfully, and with due regard to your sensibilities. **Libertarian** has apologized for giving unintended offense. Your responses have revealed you to be a hypersensitive, self-absorbed, willfully obtuse, self-dramatizing fuckwad in dire need of a working over with a clue-by-four. Get over yourself, already. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/37 "2004-03-19T20:43:54Z")
> [@byter](#): > > **Zabali\_Clawbane** : You respond to any reproach… with 100 word strings of drivel. Apparently, based on word count, your reproach was five times stronger than it needed to be. 😃 I haven’t spent much time talking to **Z\_C** , but I do understand she’s been through an awful lot in her short life. Under those circumstances, and the pallid ones recounted by **byter** , it’s remarkable that she has handled her detractors with relative aplomb, and has so far maintained a pleasant countenance in this thread. She is to be commended. That being said, **Zabali\_Clawbane** , you’ve got to get over this problem you’ve cooked up. Just imagine how _gratifying_ it would have been for **Libertarian** , who, expecting yet another depressing complaint thread, instead discovered an uplifting OP, all about your wonderful conversation with the homeless woman you met in the park. An interesting tale of organic kindness, all for the low, low price of a fast food combo. You know, I’d like to read about that. Under the same conditions, I’d be delighted to sponsor you as well. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2004, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bemused-question-to-libertarian/235212/38 "2004-03-19T20:50:31Z")
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