# Ben Carson for President thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 31, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554 "2015-08-31T22:58:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/761 "2015-12-02T15:59:29Z")
[The wheels seem to be falling off](http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2307): > [@](#): > > Eleven months before the 2016 presidential election, Donald Trump is the undisputed leader in the Republican field, as Dr. Ben Carson, in a virtual tie with Trump four weeks ago, drops to third place, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/762 "2015-12-11T19:36:10Z")
[Ben Carson throws a temper tantrum, threatens to leave the GOP.](http://www.salon.com/2015/12/11/ben_carson_throws_a_temper_tantrum_threatens_to_leave_the_gop/) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/763 "2015-12-11T19:47:09Z")
If God truly loves America, Rubio will get the nomination, and both Trump and Carson will run third party on separate tickets. Then Hillary probably wins every single state (except maybe Utah). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/764 "2015-12-11T19:49:31Z")
The Party throws itself at Romney’s feet and begs him to accept the nomination. Hillary still loses Utah. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/765 "2015-12-12T03:20:41Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If God truly loves America, Rubio will get the nomination, and both Trump and Carson will run third party on separate tickets. Then Hillary probably wins every single state (except maybe Utah). Okay, so here’s my offer. We cancel the election, name Joe Biden President, and I’ll even throw in enough Senate seats to get you to 51. Deal? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/766 "2015-12-12T03:39:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Okay, so here’s my offer. We cancel the election, name Joe Biden President, and I’ll even throw in enough Senate seats to get you to 51. > > Deal? That’s your opening offer? I sense blood in the water… no deal! (actually I’d take that deal in a heartbeat) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/767 "2015-12-12T15:27:51Z")
I would never take that deal. I like the outcome well enough, but it’s not worth the price. Cancel the elections to put a good guy in office, and next cycle, you’re going to end up canceling them to put a fiend in. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/768 "2015-12-12T15:52:00Z")
Shit, I’m too busy trembling in fear at the awesome power of **adaher**! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/769 "2015-12-12T16:06:12Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I would never take that deal. I like the outcome well enough, but it’s not worth the price. Cancel the elections to put a good guy in office, and next cycle, you’re going to end up canceling them to put a fiend in. Good point. I take it back. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/770 "2015-12-12T17:55:35Z")
I think of that as the “Claudius paradox”, around the protagonist of Robert Graves’ novel. A flawed but fundamentally decent man who does his best to be a “good” Emperor, even as he realizes that he is surrounded by greedy and ambitious people, one of whom will seize power when he dies, if not sooner. And that the “good Emperor” is the worst enemy of republican government, because it allows people to prefer the good but illegal over the mediocre but legal. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/771 "2015-12-13T21:44:23Z")
[Larry Flynt offers up to $1 million for proof that Ben Carson’s campaign manager sexually harrassed men.](https://www.yahoo.com/movies/larry-flynt-offers-1m-information-ben-carson-advisor-170000109.html) ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/772 "2015-12-13T23:22:22Z")
I wonder how much we’d have to pay Flint to put up a similar bounty on Trump? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/773 "2015-12-15T15:53:36Z")
[Dr. Carson hopes there will be a lot of foreign policy questions in tonight’s debate because it’ll be a “slam dunk.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=GZ9l2hYwB04) Question though, how high is he in this video? A lot to very, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/774 "2015-12-15T16:55:29Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Unless they proselytize in the office, how would you even know? And frankly, if my child were in need of a neurosurgeon for whatever reason, I’ll take the best doctor possible, views on evolution and pyramids be damned. And when I was looking for that doctor I would consider “career neurosurgeon” and “medical establishment insider” to be positives. It wouldn’t cross my mind that someone with no neurosurgery experience would bring a fresh outlook to the surgery. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/775 "2015-12-15T16:59:22Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > [Dr. Carson hopes there will be a lot of foreign policy questions in tonight’s debate because it’ll be a “slam dunk.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=GZ9l2hYwB04) > > Question though, how high is he in this video? A lot to very, right? Hard to tell. I mean, he’s definitely in an airplane, but altitude cannot be determined. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/776 "2015-12-31T19:05:17Z")
[Beginning of the end?](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-31/ben-carson-looks-to-reset-amid-campaign-turmoil) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/777 "2015-12-31T19:34:59Z")
CNN Politics on the resignation of two top Carson campaign aides: [http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/31/politics/ben-carson-campaign-manager-quits/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/31/politics/ben-carson-campaign-manager-quits/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/778 "2015-12-31T23:31:23Z")
[20 further staffers have resigned.](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/ben-carsons-presidential-campaign-in-total-disarray-after-20-staffers-follow-top-advisers-out-the-door/) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2015, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/779 "2015-12-31T23:49:56Z")
Good. Back to the book store discount section for you, buddy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554/780 "2016-01-01T00:32:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The thing is, you cannot believe the shit he believes without being one dumb son of bitch. I disagree. It’s not unusual for outstanding creative scientists to have crackpot ideas in areas outside their primary specialty. One example is Newton’s belief in astrology, something that, even then, was already way past it’s scientific sell-buy date. Another is William Shockley’s racism. Another is psychologist William James buying into talk-to-the-dead mediums. Another is chemist Linus Pauling championing megavitamins. These aren’t original examples, but I can’t recall the historian of science I got them from. In order to devise and prove out new brain operations, you have to be the kind of person who questions the conventional wisdom espoused by more typical Johns Hopkins professors. This can work well in areas in which the outstanding scientist is expert, but goes awry when applied to areas the scientist doesn’t know much about, such as, in the case of Ben Carson, medical economics, global warming, and the Great Pyramid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-carson-for-president-thread/729554.md?page=40)