# Ben Stein's new movie Expelled **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 23, 2008, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482 "2008-03-23T23:44:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/161 "2008-04-19T13:41:18Z")
Apparently not, if that commenter is serious… ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/162 "2008-04-19T14:00:36Z")
[QUOTE=LurkMeister] Just for laughed I scanned through the reviews of this movie on IMDb, and couldn’t believe I read this: :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Where’d you find that? -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/163 "2008-04-19T14:53:37Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] Where’d you find that? -FrL- [/QUOTE] Here: [Liberals will hate this movie](http://imdb.com/title/tt1091617/usercomments?start=20). The whole post is actually quite amusing. Apparently, if you are a liberal, you are also an atheist. [QUOTE=Tom from United States] I just have one question for all who believe in evolution. Why do we still have monkeys? Shouldn’t they all have evolved into people by now? Also, why do some men go bald? What purpose does that serve? If baldness is a good thing, shouldn’t we all be bald due to evolution? If it’s a bad thing, evolution should have wiped out baldness by now. I would think we would all be a bit better than we are today if we were evolving over time, however, the stupidity of liberals can only lead one to believe that there is no way the human race could have possibly evolved into such ignorant creatures. It’s also funny the way liberals get so upset to hear someone mention God. You can’t help but laugh when you see them on CNN, etc. One thing’s for sure though- we will all believe in God when we die. [/QUOTE] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/164 "2008-04-19T14:53:51Z")
[Here](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/usercomments?start=20) is a direct link to the page. It’s currently the second from the top, titled “Liberals Will Hate This Movie” by Tom. edit: beaten to it ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/165 "2008-04-19T15:12:46Z")
Just a gentle **Mod** reminder that everyone has a perfect right to wander over to the IMDb messages and express themselves–as long as no one makes any issue of having “discovered” an earlier post through its quotation on the SDMB or makes any other reference to the SDMB. We would prefer to not invite hostile exchanges from outside fora. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/166 "2008-04-19T16:10:03Z")
[QUOTE=LurkMeister] Just for laughed I scanned through the reviews of this movie on IMDb, and couldn’t believe I read this: :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Oops, I misread you, thinking you’d found that comment at a _rottentomatoes_ review. For IMDb, that kind of thing is almost par for the course. 😉 -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/167 "2008-04-19T18:35:11Z")
Box office is in for opening day. [It’s a flop](http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/jet-and-jackie-nudge-out-judd-on-friday/). > [@](#): > > The only other newcomer in the Top 10 was conservative commentator Ben Stein’s #8 documentary, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed in which he takes the creationists’ side against scientists in the evolution battle. Playing in 1,052 theaters, the pic distributed by Rocky Mountain Films earned $1.2M Friday for what should be a $3.4M weekend. But the per screen average was a feeble $1,130 (not the $3,000 erroneously rumored on the Internet), showing there wasn’t any pent-up demand for the film despite an aggressive publicity campaign. So much for the conservative argument that people would flock to films not representing the “agenda of liberal Hollywood”. (Just for comparison purposes: Michael Moore’s most recent Sicko did $4.4 mil its opening weekend from only 441 theaters, and his Fahrenheit 9/11 did $23.9M its opening weekend from 868 venues.) And that’s with a huge amount of publicity and with the producers bribing Christian schools to force their students to buy tickets. I’m encouraged to see that people are ignoring this bilge. Maybe America is smarter than I thought. The reviews have been absolutely brutal, so that probably didn’t help the movie either. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/168 "2008-04-19T22:16:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Liberals will hate this movie. What a fucking douche. He thinks only liberals are capable of understanding scientific truth. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/169 "2008-04-19T22:23:57Z")
[QUOTE=Freddy the Pig] What a fucking douche. He thinks only liberals are capable of understanding scientific truth. [/QUOTE] He also thinks they don’t believe in God. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/170 "2008-04-19T22:58:48Z")
It’s a pretty simple\* corrollary: 1. God wants people to be conservatives. 2. Liberals are not conservatives. 3. Ergo, Liberals do not believe in God; if they did, they would be conservatives (see 1.) Q. E. D. \*to say nothing of _simplistic_ ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/171 "2008-04-20T01:23:11Z")
[QUOTE=crowmanyclouds] Stein already has a sequel in the can about the scientific communities suppression of ATT (Avian Transportation Theory). Here’s the [trailer](http://richarddawkins.net/article,2478,Sexpelled-No-Intercourse-Allowed,RichardDawkinsnet). CMC +fnord! [/QUOTE] That was awesome. Thanks for the link. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/172 "2008-04-20T02:30:28Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if $3 million isn’t even enough to pay for their _Comedy Central_ ads alone since the ads run several nights per week during the networks highest rated programs. However, if the film is a total disaster then it’s of course the fault of the intellectual elitists. (I heard that Elitist-American Barack Obama personally shivved a guy who tried to see it in a small steel mill town in Pennsylvania, though of course he now denies it.) ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/173 "2008-04-20T22:30:16Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Box office is in for opening day. [It’s a flop](http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/jet-and-jackie-nudge-out-judd-on-friday/). [/quote] Well… [Opening day sales are a weak indicator for eventual box office takings](http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/02/23/movies/20080223_REVENUE_GRAPHIC.html), and DVD purchases and rentals greatly exceed box office sales, [$4.8 billion vs. $1.78 billion](http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B06E1D7113BF933A15757C0A9629C8B63), and documentaries are cheap to film and there may be congregation screenings to consider as well. All in all, methinks that the film-makers should do ok. I predict a sequel. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/174 "2008-04-20T22:47:29Z")
Hey, Brent Bozell likes the film. What a suprise. > [@](#): > > Everyone should take the opportunity to see “Expelled” – if nothing else, as a bracing antidote to the atheism-friendly culture of PC liberalism. But it’s far more than that. It’s a spotlight on the arrogance of this movement and its leaders, a spotlight on the choking intolerance of academia, and a spotlight on the ignorance of so many who say so much, yet know so very little. [http://www.mediaresearch.org/BozellColumns/entertainmentcolumn/2008/col20080417.asp](http://www.mediaresearch.org/BozellColumns/entertainmentcolumn/2008/col20080417.asp) WOW, I guess that puts us “evolutionists” in our place. Seriously is the entire conservative political movement engulfed in fantasy land? Are there any prominent conservatives who accept the reality of the word that really exists. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/175 "2008-04-20T22:50:13Z")
You know what’s really awesome about this movie? Look at the tagline on the poster: [http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2130941440/tt1091617](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2130941440/tt1091617) > [@](#): > > Big science has expelled smart new ideas from the classroom. > > What they forgot is that every generation has its Rebel! I love that randomly capitalized ‘R’ in ‘Rebel’, conforming to the time-honored standards of wacko scare glurge established in the 18th century (or the German language, pick whichever one seems wackier to you). ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/176 "2008-04-20T22:55:03Z")
[QUOTE=Icerigger] Are there any prominent conservatives who accept the reality of the word that really exists. [/QUOTE] Is this part of that “truth has a liberal bias” issue? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/177 "2008-04-20T23:03:04Z")
[QUOTE=Cosmic Relief] You know what’s really awesome about this movie? Look at the tagline on the poster: [http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2130941440/tt1091617](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2130941440/tt1091617) I love that randomly capitalized ‘R’ in ‘Rebel’, conforming to the time-honored standards of wacko scare glurge established in the 18th century (or the German language, pick whichever one seems wackier to you). [/QUOTE] Hey! Don’t go dissing the [Rebel](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpuFEpbE0d0)! ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/178 "2008-04-20T23:54:13Z")
I guess I have no dog in this fight as a semi-moderate (leaning towards social liberalism) agnostic. But I do figure that ID has no basis in science as wonderful as it might sound to people. The only problem I have is that IDers would like to pass off their religious beliefs as having any scientific merit at all. Does that make me a liberal and the enemy? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/179 "2008-04-20T23:58:43Z")
[QUOTE=Brown Eyed Girl] I guess I have no dog in this fight as a semi-moderate (leaning towards social liberalism) agnostic. But I do figure that ID has no basis in science as wonderful as it might sound to people. The only problem I have is that IDers would like to pass off their religious beliefs as having any scientific merit at all. Does that make me a liberal and the enemy? [/QUOTE] Yes. Also evil. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482/180 "2008-04-21T00:09:16Z")
If it hadn’t been for rebels like Ben Stein challenging the status quo we may never have had phrenology or alien autopsy footage. My favorite line about the Ben Stein type of ‘rebel’ is from the Peter Cook/Dudley Moore version of \*[Bedazzled](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061391/) \*. > [@](#): > > Stanley Moon: You’re a nutcase! You’re a bleedin’ nutcase! > George Spiggott: They said the same of Jesus Christ, Freud, and Galileo. > Stanley Moon: They said it of a lot of nutcases too. > George Spiggott: You’re not as stupid as you look are you, Mr. Moon? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ben-steins-new-movie-expelled/442482.md?page=10)