# Benazir Bhutto is killed **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 27, 2007, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371 "2007-12-27T13:40:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/81 "2007-12-30T16:59:38Z")
[QUOTE=PunditLisa] Just read that Bhutto’s 19 year old son is going to lead the party now. Aw geez. [/QUOTE] I love the great democratic tradition of children being appointed into their deceased parents’ positions. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/82 "2007-12-30T19:21:49Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] I love the great democratic tradition of children being appointed into their deceased parents’ positions. [/QUOTE] Or not-so deceased parents. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/83 "2007-12-30T22:27:22Z")
poor kid. dang, he is gonna have a really tough road. ---
**Author:** ![ShakWave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f9b8f/32.png) [@ShakWave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShakWave)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2007, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/84 "2007-12-30T23:31:51Z")
Bilawal’s (Benazir’s son) assimilation into the party just goes to show how Bhutto-dominated the PPP really is. His father announced on TV that Bilawal will now be called Bilawal Bhutto Zardari (rather than Bilawal Zardari), obviously a move to capitalize on the Bhutto name. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/85 "2007-12-31T02:21:44Z")
**ShakWave** , I just wanted to thank you for sharing your insight into this terrible situation. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/86 "2007-12-31T03:15:57Z")
Yes, thanks for your insight, **ShakWave**. I, too, am glad to know you are safe. [QUOTE=ShakWave] I was going through the thread above and was amazed by how little people know about the actual political situation in Pakistan but act like they know it all. [/QUOTE] I just read [this National Geographic Magazine article](http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0709/pakistan/pakistan.html), and couldn’t help but come away with this dreadful feeling that the citizens of Pakistan are pretty fucked by the political situation, and that was before the assassination. I know it’s a pretty long article, but if you’re up to reading it, I’d love to know if you feel it’s an accurate portrayal of your country and the problems its facing. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/87 "2007-12-31T03:51:08Z")
According to this [NY Times story](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/world/asia/31inquiry.html?ex=1356757200&en=5268ff1a4a128632&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss), the government is claiming Bhutto died “by hitting her head on a lever of her car’s sunroof during the attack.” And the government, in the person of the local police chief, is refusing to allow an autopsy. I can see how this will turn out well. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/88 "2007-12-31T04:09:18Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] According to this [NY Times story](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/world/asia/31inquiry.html?ex=1356757200&en=5268ff1a4a128632&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss), the government is claiming Bhutto died “by hitting her head on a lever of her car’s sunroof during the attack.” And the government, in the person of the local police chief, is refusing to allow an autopsy. I can see how this will turn out well. :dubious: [/QUOTE] Supposedly, there’s video of the event in which you can clearly tell she’s been shot, and everyone who was at the hospital with her has been saying that she was shot because they saw the bullet holes. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/89 "2007-12-31T06:04:54Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Supposedly, there’s video of the event in which you can clearly tell she’s been shot, and everyone who was at the hospital with her has been saying that she was shot because they saw the bullet holes. [/QUOTE] Obviously they were mistaken. They must have seen the sunroof lever holes. ---
**Author:** ![ShakWave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f9b8f/32.png) [@ShakWave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShakWave)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/90 "2007-12-31T07:34:06Z")
Dawn News (the biggest English newspaper in Pakistan) has claimed to have pictures of both the assassin (in front with the sunglasses) and the suicide bomber (behind the assassin with a cloth covering most of his face). [http://epaper.dawn.com/ArticleText.aspx?article=30\_12\_2007\_001\_004](http://epaper.dawn.com/ArticleText.aspx?article=30_12_2007_001_004) ---
**Author:** ![gardentraveler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gardentraveler/32/3576_2.png) [@gardentraveler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gardentraveler)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/91 "2007-12-31T08:41:18Z")
Thanks for all the information, **ShakWave**. I appreciate the opportunity to feel less ignorant about your part of the world. I"m on vacation and haven’t read this as closely yet as I’d like, but wanted to stop in and say thanks. GT ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/92 "2007-12-31T17:31:11Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] They must have seen the sunroof lever holes. [/QUOTE] Maybe it was a [magic sunroof lever](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/93 "2007-12-31T17:59:25Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Maybe it was a [magic sunroof lever](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory). [/QUOTE] There might have been two sunroof levers, for driver and passenger. But there is absolutely NO evidence the levers were conspiring with each other. Perhaps one will turn out to be a pristine lever. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/94 "2007-12-31T18:07:56Z")
Thanks for the on-the-spot reporting, **ShakWave**. Please keep safe. ---
**Author:** ![ShakWave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f9b8f/32.png) [@ShakWave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShakWave)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2007, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/95 "2007-12-31T19:33:43Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] I, too, am glad to know you are safe. I just read [this National Geographic Magazine article](http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0709/pakistan/pakistan.html)… I’d love to know if you feel it’s an accurate portrayal of your country and the problems its facing. [/QUOTE] **Shayna** , the article is absolutely spot on. The country is currently at its most fragile state, divided between the radical Islamist bullies, and the moderate majority. The article has described accurately the events leading up to now, including the rot which started in the '80s by the US-backed General Zia-ul-Haq. **Cervaise, Gardentraveller, Rockingchair, Ivylass, Shayna, jjimm** , your thanks are very welcome. I’m glad that I have an opportunity to express my point of view as an average Pakistani to people all over the world through the SDMB, and hope it goes towards fighting ignorance 🙂 a bit . I’m also thinking of opening a **Ask the Pakistani guy** thread so Dopers can get to know more about Pakistan apart from what they hear on the news. Oh, and Happy New Year. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/96 "2008-01-01T01:16:57Z")
thank you very much for your man on the street reports, and help in explaining who is who. ask the pakistani guy thread would be awesome! keep safe and have a happy and healthy new year. ---
**Author:** ![Skylark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Skylark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skylark)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2008, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/97 "2008-01-01T23:26:52Z")
Keep it up! And stay safe too (of course!) ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2008, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/98 "2008-01-01T23:35:08Z")
[What do you think of reports that Bhutto thought the coming elections were going to be rigged?](http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/24001.html) > [@](#): > > The day she was assassinated last Thursday, Benazir Bhutto had planned to reveal new evidence alleging the involvement of Pakistan’s intelligence agencies in rigging the country’s upcoming elections, an aide said Monday. > > Bhutto had been due to meet U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., and Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., to hand over a report charging that the military Inter-Services Intelligence agency was planning to fix the polls in the favor of President Pervez Musharraf. > > Safraz Khan Lashari, a member of the Pakistan People’s Party election monitoring unit, said the report was “very sensitive” and that the party wanted to initially share it with trusted American politicians rather than the Bush administration, which is seen here as strongly backing Musharraf. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/99 "2008-01-02T01:16:39Z")
I have a feeling that 2008 will be like 2001. Her death was sudden and tragic, but I knew it would happen. We’re beyond all that. Her son will rule: as he said, “democracy is the ultimate revenge”. Anyone else freaked out that **Tuckerfan** registered seven years ago today? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371/100 "2008-01-02T01:28:31Z")
[QUOTE=Kozmik] I have a feeling that 2008 will be like 2001. Her death was sudden and tragic, but I knew it would happen. We’re beyond all that. Her son will rule: as he said, “democracy is the ultimate revenge”. Anyone else freaked out that **Tuckerfan** registered seven years ago today? [/QUOTE] Why should it be freaky? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/benazir-bhutto-is-killed/431371.md?page=6)