# "Bend Over for the Trojan" - The 0-16 NFL Season Thread (2017 ed.) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 19, 2017, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692 "2017-09-19T05:06:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/61 "2017-10-23T13:15:07Z")
Browns had a 12-9 loss, which being the Browns is the way to go winless - just out of reach. In fact 4 of their 7 losses have been by a field goal. So close, and yet so far. On the other hand, the Niners lost 40-10 against the Cowboys, with their only touchdown happening in garbage time. That’s a dumpster fire right there. Which is surprising, since they have 5 of their losses by a field goal or less. They’re both making their best effort, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/62 "2017-10-27T15:26:17Z")
The Niners have a pretty guaranteed 0-8 with Philly this week. After that the have 4 easier games: ARI without Palmer in SF; NYG in SF; bye week; the SEA team they lost to by a field goal, in SF; and CHI at Soldier Field. That run should get them at least one win. If they can’t pull those out their only hope is that they face an LA Rams team in week 17 that is looking to be playoffs bound and may give up a garbage win as they rest starters for the post-season. The Browns…are the Browns. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/63 "2017-10-28T06:27:49Z")
I think we really ought to afford an honorable mention to the Dolphins. Although they have won 4 games (?) they have managed the first double-aught, being shut-out twice. Denver and Indianapolis have an outside chance of laying a second egg on Sunday. Arizona will not be stinking up the place until next week. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/64 "2017-11-01T18:30:12Z")
Trading for a well-regarded potential franchise QB at the deadline is NOT going to get you the perfect loss season. Trying, and due to incompetence failing, to trade for a little-known backup QB on another underperforming team IS something a dedicated failure of a team would do. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/65 "2017-11-01T18:36:15Z")
The Cardinals loss of Palmer might break them. That is worrisome, because they play the Niners on Sunday. The Niners are in serious danger of failing to lose. (Browns have the week off, so their utter mediocrity remains safe.) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/66 "2017-11-01T18:49:08Z")
The Browns are good for 1-2 end of season wins when it doesn’t possibly matter and only fucks up their draft position. I root all season for them to win until they’re like 1-12 or 0-13 or whatever, then I just want the damn draft pick - why waste all the pain of such a shitty season? And then they pull off some meaningless win that fucks it up. They tried to do it last year but thankfully SF was also stupid enough to win a pointless game to keep the draft order the same. The Browns rarely end up with the #1 overall - usually like the #4-7. Enough for a miserable season but not a top draft pick to give hope for the offseason. Worst possible outcome, really. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/67 "2017-11-01T18:59:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The Cardinals loss of Palmer might break them. That is worrisome, because they play the Niners on Sunday. The Niners are in serious danger of failing to lose. (Browns have the week off, so their utter mediocrity remains safe.) Eh… I think the Cardinals still have enough talent left to win that game. We’ll see. I don’t think they’ll win many and they don’t have a snowball’s chance to sniff the playoffs this year but I think they have a chance to beat the Niners. I think it’ll be a low-scoring game between two bad offenses either way. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/68 "2017-11-13T00:56:27Z")
Because the Giants are just that bad. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/69 "2017-11-27T06:51:25Z")
**bump** Well, 5 games left and the Browns are still 0-fer. The only game they have left that they might squeak out a win is Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/70 "2017-11-27T08:50:58Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > **bump** > > Well, 5 games left and the Browns are still 0-fer. The only game they have left that they might squeak out a win is Chicago. You watch your mouth. They still have Green Bay next week. That leaves such a horrible taste that I’m going to throw up now. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/71 "2017-11-27T12:00:32Z")
Check out the Chargers. We had low hopes for them in September, but here they beat down the Cowboys on turkeyday and are a game away from evensteven. How the lowly have unfallen. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/72 "2017-11-27T18:00:13Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I think my Saints are just bad enough to get a mediocre draft pick, again. Probably another 7-9 year, could slip to 6-10. Good thing nothing can take the 2009 season away from us… Eight game winning streak happened after this post. Sometimes I think the Sports Gods enjoy making me look silly. Saints lost yesterday, but are still 8-3, which is better than I thought 2 months ago. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/73 "2017-11-27T18:13:39Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Check out the Chargers. We had low hopes for them in September, but here they beat down the Cowboys on turkeyday and are a game away from evensteven. How the lowly have unfallen. They play the Browns next week, and this is _exactly_ the kind of game the Chargers tend to blow. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/74 "2017-11-27T18:31:15Z")
My YPP calculation puts them at -10 for that game, with a +3 turnover average. The official line looks like -13.5 – too close to put money on the Browns, but I think [del]san diego[/del] LA will not be coughing that one up at home. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/75 "2017-11-27T19:00:45Z")
I hope Cleveland goes 0-16 so Josh Rosen returns for 1 more season at UCLA. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/76 "2017-11-27T19:30:20Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The Cardinals loss of Palmer might break them. That is worrisome, because they play the Niners on Sunday. The Niners are in serious danger of failing to lose. (Browns have the week off, so their utter mediocrity remains safe.) Are the Browns as good as “mediocre”? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/77 "2017-11-27T19:49:06Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > I hope Cleveland goes 0-16 so Josh Rosen returns for 1 more season at UCLA. I’m sorry - “hope” and “Cleveland” do not belong in the same sentence. Maybe they will beat the Packers and my despair will be complete. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/78 "2017-11-27T21:25:01Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Are the Browns as good as “mediocre”? Give the Browns the respect they deserve. They are _exceptionally_ bad. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/79 "2017-11-27T21:25:04Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Are the Browns as good as “mediocre”? Well, for the season so far, they are not the worst team in either yds/pt column, primarily by dint of the fact that they have not egged the scoreboard (a shutout is difficult to calculate – I just use total yards); they would be worst in defensive yds/pt, but Denver Trumps them by a small margin. Winning, though, they have yet to figure that out and have the worst average difference in score. Still, they cannot be as pathetic as the Stampeders. That was just sad. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692/80 "2017-11-27T22:45:28Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > I hope Cleveland goes 0-16 so Josh Rosen returns for 1 more season at UCLA. LOL. Can you imagine a kid choosing to stay in school just to avoid being drafted by the Browns? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bend-over-for-the-trojan-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2017-ed/796692.md?page=5)