# Bergama won't go away - Star Trek related **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 26, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171 "2005-07-26T04:07:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/1 "2005-07-26T04:07:31Z")
[ST:XI - Let’s Ruin Trek!](http://www.trektoday.com/news/230705_02.shtml) No, I don’t think they will do a good job. Look what they did with ENT. On an upnote, the [Barsoom movie](http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0401729/) plans make me happy. (Discussed previously right here on the SDMB.) [Bergama just doesn’t get it.](http://www.trektoday.com/news/250705_01.shtml) Which is why they need to pass on the torch. Any further involvement by these hacks will just worsen the situation, imho. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/2 "2005-07-26T04:19:53Z")
Why should they admit any responisbility for the failure of Enteprise and the last few movies? It’s obivously the fault of nitpicky fans who don’t want to swallow anything that has the words “Star Trek” attached without question. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/3 "2005-07-26T04:23:24Z")
Oh, and this movie has “Suck” written all over it. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/4 "2005-07-26T04:24:29Z")
Apparantly, those two have caught what Gene ended up with. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/5 "2005-07-26T04:27:56Z")
Seriously, you couldn’t see this coming when Roddenberry died? I was a total Trek Geek for _years_, but a year into _Voyager_ I couldn’t stand it any more and walked away from it all. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/6 "2005-07-26T04:32:28Z")
Pillar and Berman (and others) actually did well with Trek for quite a while. But once Berman and Bragga melded into that monster we call Bergama… Oh well, even if Trek never makes it back in a good way, we can still remember the good times and the individual good eps. Plus, we gots lots of other Sci-Fi coming to both the big and small screens. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/7 "2005-07-26T04:50:20Z")
I tried to think of just when it was that Star Trek jumped the shark for me. I think it was when they started bringing in all that “Section 31” stuff. Or maybe it was in TNG, when it seemed like a Pakled slingshot could cripple the Federation’s flagship. :rolleyes: They just \*lost \*me. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/8 "2005-07-26T09:56:23Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Pillar and Berman (and others) actually did well with Trek for quite a while. But once Berman and Bragga melded into that monster we call Bergama… > > Oh well, even if Trek never makes it back in a good way, we can still remember the good times and the individual good eps. > > Plus, we gots lots of other Sci-Fi coming to both the big and small screens. As someone whon likes Star Trek but is not a hardcore fan I’m glad that someone finally explained the Bergama thing. I just thought that previous posters couldn’t spell. **NoClueBoy** I couldn’t get the third link in your first post to work, does it require registration or something? ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/9 "2005-07-26T11:36:49Z")
From the first link: > [@](#): > > Another fan, Carol Dale, said that Rann revealed that the movie would be set in the immediate future in 2010, “a time when the Earth has been almost destroyed by nuclear war, when our saviours from the future arrive.” She said that the storyline, which would span two motion pictures, would involve Spock and possibly other Star Trek characters from shows set further in the future. “Our saviors from the future”?! Spock?! In 2010?! Make the pain stop. Please. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/10 "2005-07-26T12:43:57Z")
I just double checked the links, and they all work for me. No registration required for Trek Today. A cliff note version of link #3 is that Berman is saying “I don’t know why the fans and even many of the actors didn’t like what me and BugBoy did to ENT, esp the finale. We know Trek! Really! Just trust me, we know what’s best for you. If you didn’t like it, the problem must be with you.” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/11 "2005-07-26T12:53:03Z")
I’m only a very casual fan, but for fucks sake, stop with the time travel!!! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/12 "2005-07-26T13:50:06Z")
“Star Trek XI” ?? I must be missing some fanboy info, but there’ve only been [eight](http://www.acad.humberc.on.ca/~dymond/trek/movies.htm) Star Trek movies so far, right? What happened to IX and X? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/13 "2005-07-26T13:54:54Z")
I think having your ass saved by a hologram was the final straw. That is worse than having your ass saved by a kid. Bergama should just go work for the Bush Adminstration. We’ll let Cheney and Rumsfeld run Star Trek. Insurrection? What insurrection? ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/14 "2005-07-26T14:00:29Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > “Star Trek XI” ?? > > I must be missing some fanboy info, but there’ve only been [eight](http://www.acad.humberc.on.ca/~dymond/trek/movies.htm) Star Trek movies so far, right? What happened to IX and X? There was The Motion Piture II III IV V VI Generations First Contact Insurrection Nemesis That adds up to ten in my book. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/15 "2005-07-26T14:09:28Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Pillar and Berman (and others) actually did well with Trek for quite a while. But once Berman and Bragga melded into that monster we call Bergama… Huh. I thought they were the Bermaga. How about Bergamera? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/16 "2005-07-26T14:14:14Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > [Bergama just doesn’t get it.](http://www.trektoday.com/news/250705_01.shtml) Which is why they need to pass on the torch. Any further involvement by these hacks will just worsen the situation, imho. That fairly well sums up my attitude as well. I think ST would be best served by no-one producing anything ST related for the next, say, ten years. Only after some time has passed do I think someone new (and new is important) can take it on with a fresh attitude that could produce something fun again. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/17 "2005-07-26T14:18:21Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Huh. I thought they were the Bermaga. > > How about Bergamera? 😉 No. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/18 "2005-07-26T14:21:01Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > There was > The Motion Piture > II > III > IV > V > VI > Generations > First Contact > Insurrection > Nemesis Gah, you’re right. :smack: Insurrection and Nemesis were so inconsequential I conflated them as being TNG episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/19 "2005-07-26T15:29:38Z")
Someone should fire Bergama and put Ron Moore in charge. Oh wait, he decided to do his own little project when Bergama wouldn’t let him… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171/20 "2005-07-26T15:29:47Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Oh, and this movie has “Suck” written all over it. Well, it is an odd number. 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bergama-wont-go-away-star-trek-related/314171.md?page=2)