# Bermuda Triangle - Bruce Gernon **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 13, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993 "2010-12-13T16:51:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/21 "2013-10-03T14:11:25Z")
> [@knel3030](#): > > It totally sounds like a suction propulsion through a horizontal tornado, caused by emf pulses from fault lines and solar flares interdynamicizing with a wandering sonic cloud of drum circle beats emanating from San Francisco. Well, there you go, a perfectly reasonable explanation, devoid of any UFO mumbo-jumbo. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/22 "2013-10-03T14:22:44Z")
> [@knel3030](#): > > It totally sounds like a suction propulsion through a horizontal tornado, caused by emf pulses from fault lines and solar flares interdynamicizing with a wandering sonic cloud of drum circle beats emanating from San Francisco. Did you mean to post this in the “snoring” thread? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/23 "2013-10-03T14:28:23Z")
> [@knel3030](#): > > It totally sounds like a suction propulsion through a horizontal tornado, caused by emf pulses from fault lines and solar flares interdynamicizing with a wandering sonic cloud of drum circle beats emanating from San Francisco. Tell that to [Larry Kusche.](http://www.amazon.com/Bermuda-Triangle-Mystery-Solved/dp/1578661560/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380810437&sr=1-1&keywords=larry+kusche) ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/24 "2013-10-03T14:34:55Z")
> [@knel3030](#): > > It totally sounds like a suction propulsion through a horizontal tornado, caused by emf pulses from fault lines and solar flares interdynamicizing with a wandering sonic cloud of drum circle beats emanating from San Francisco. I think we’re all indebted to **knel3030 Johnson** for clearly stating what needed to be said. I’m particulary glad that these lovely posters were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic woo-woo gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/25 "2013-10-03T14:59:28Z")
> [@Bruce\_Gernon](#): > > The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we CAN imagine and the only way to discover the limits of the possible, is to go beyond them into the impossible. If you’re going to quote, quote accurately. J. B. S. Haldane > [@](#): > > Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. Arthur C. Clarke > [@](#): > > The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/26 "2013-10-03T15:46:49Z")
Psssst. Sounds like **knel3030** pulled a whoosh. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/27 "2013-10-03T15:57:47Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Psssst. Sounds like **knel3030** pulled a whoosh. The “drum circle beats emanating from San Francisco” were a dead giveaway. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/28 "2013-10-03T16:22:41Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Psssst. Sounds like **knel3030** pulled a whoosh. Poe’s Law says, “Definitely maybe.” All things are [Moleeds](http://www.ted.com/talks/charles_fleischer_insists_all_things_are_moleeds.html) anyway. ---
**Author:** ![runningdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@runningdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/runningdude)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/29 "2013-10-03T20:45:19Z")
> [@bup](#): > > OK, so my daughter was watching a _ **very educational** _ TV show on the Bermuda Triangle. > > One of the cases it covered was the famous incident of [Bruce Gernon](http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/bruce_gernon.html), who claims he flew a Beech Bonanza from Andros Airport, Bahamas, to Palm Beach, Florida - 250 miles - in 47 minutes. Either his watch was broken, or he’s lying. Any other extraordinary claims must have extra documentation. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/30 "2013-10-03T20:54:11Z")
> [@Bewildebeest](#): > > I know he says “electronic fog”, but shouldn’t it really (heh) be called either electric or electrical fog? It describes his mental state, not a meteorological phenomenon. ---
**Author:** ![snakeoil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f475e1/32.png) [@snakeoil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snakeoil)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/31 "2013-10-05T00:39:26Z")
I just read ‘The Fog’ and commend both Bruce Gernon and Rob McGregor for the research and material of unexplained events at the Bermuda Triangle. Although I might not totally agree with their hypothesis, one cannot argue with experience. Quantum physics states everything (all matter) is nothing more than fields, so if one wants to move matter, just move the field – fields are not limited to the same constraints as matter, i.e. the speed of light. Today we are teleporting qbits (quantum bits – information not matter) with a science process called ‘entanglement’ and this happens instantaneously. I believe Bruce, Arthur Godfrey, Lindberg, etc. were teleported, just like those qbits. The real problem, however, is current science cannot explain what entanglement is, what is behind this phenomena – sort of like not really knowing what gravity is either. Snake oil is my project to explain these phenomena – until these can be explained and proven both Bermuda and the Dragon Triangles plus a host of other unexplained phenomena will remain mysteries. Teleportation is real, time tunnels and universe fabric bending is science fiction, just ask the UFOs!! No I don’t talk to aliens, I believe they are dumber than us (well some of us) - that’s why they are here! Bruce, if you read this – put propellers into your equation! ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/32 "2013-10-05T01:50:33Z")
> [@snakeoil](#): > > Quantum physics states everything (all matter) is nothing more than fields, so if one wants to move matter, just move the field – fields are not limited to the same constraints as matter, i.e. the speed of light. Today we are teleporting qbits (quantum bits – information not matter) with a science process called ‘entanglement’ and this happens instantaneously. I believe Bruce, Arthur Godfrey, Lindberg, etc. were teleported, just like those qbits. The real problem, however, is current science cannot explain what entanglement is, what is behind this phenomena – sort of like not really knowing what gravity is either. Snake oil is my project to explain these phenomena – until these can be explained and proven both Bermuda and the Dragon Triangles plus a host of other unexplained phenomena will remain mysteries. Gobbletygook and gabbletybabble. Science can explain the Bermuda Triangle quite well. There is no mystery and no need to invoke string theory or quantum entanglement, both of which I doubt you really understand, anyway. [ul]There are no more “mysterious disappearances” in this area than any other place in the world, especially considering it’s an area with high traffic.[_]The boundaries of “The Triangle” are not well defined. Some events are outside the area as defined by some, even on the other side of the world, but the boundaries are conveniently moved when necessary.[_]Many “strange events” have been solved or have a reasonable explanation, but woo sites ignore that, and keep repeating them in lists anyway, often with :rolleyes: embellishment. It sells books.[\*]No teleportation, alien abduction, gas discharge from the ocean bottom swallowing a boat or any of the proposed phenomena has ever been proven to exist or to happen.[/ul]In short, there’s nothing to the Bermuda Triangle but wishful thinking by true believers. ---
**Author:** ![snakeoil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f475e1/32.png) [@snakeoil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snakeoil)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/33 "2013-10-05T12:04:02Z")
Wow I got me a genius with musicat, you got me pegged right, I am just some dumb farm kid, not a scientific person like yourself. Don’t understand string theory, doubt if more than a handful of people do, it supposedly takes 26 math courses to get through the equations, I only have calculus. Not interested in string theory, don’t need it to teleport (I speculate, since Snake Oil is not teleporting yet). You seem to think you know what entanglement is – explain to me the science behind how two complementary particles could be at the extremes distance of the horizons of the Universe, i.e. 140 billion lightyears apart and instantaneously communicate and thus not violate the Uncertainty Principle of quantum mechanics, which was proven in 1982 with Aspect experiment. Or better yet, explain to me what gravity really is, not its effects, but what makes gravity. I worked at JPL on deep space missions, and have a pretty good understanding of the effects of gravity, we needed to know that down to a TEE in order to get those critters on course and keep them there. But nobody could ever explain what actually created that force, and this one reason why we don’t have anti-gravity (I speculate). There is numerous un-explains in my world and hopefully you can answer all of them for me. It is time for me to go milk the cows and slop the hogs! Have a nice day! P.S. is Gobbletygook and gabbletybabble the names of your projects? Funny names!! ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/34 "2013-10-05T13:17:13Z")
> [@snakeoil](#): > > Don’t understand string theory, doubt if more than a handful of people do, it supposedly takes 26 math courses to get through the equations, I only have calculus. Not interested in string theory, don’t need it to teleport (I speculate, since Snake Oil is not teleporting yet). You seem to think you know what entanglement is – explain to me the science behind how two complementary particles could be at the extremes distance of the horizons of the Universe, i.e. 140 billion lightyears apart and instantaneously communicate and thus not violate the Uncertainty Principle of quantum mechanics, which was proven in 1982 with Aspect experiment. If you want to know how those things work, I suggest you start another thread in GQ. There are many qualified physics experts around, and they can explain it much better than I. This thread is about the Bermuda Triangle. Quantum physics, teleporation and quantum entanglement are not needed to “solve” the “mystery,” as there is no mystery, only ignorance and wishful thinking. And there’s nothing special about the ocean in the vicinity of Bermuda. Once again, I refer you to [Larry Kusche’s book.](http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/357045.The_Bermuda_Triangle_Mystery_Solved) There are other books by skeptical writers that can show you how we create “mysteries,” mistaken beliefs, and mythological creatures (think Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Chupacabra) out of ordinary events, but Larry’s book is specific to this topic. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/35 "2013-10-05T13:27:43Z")
> [@snakeoil](#): > > I just read ‘The Fog’ and commend both Bruce Gernon and Rob McGregor for the research and material of unexplained events at the Bermuda Triangle. Although I might not totally agree with their hypothesis, one cannot argue with experience. Quantum physics states everything (all matter) is nothing more than fields, so if one wants to move matter, just move the field – fields are not limited to the same constraints as matter, i.e. the speed of light. Today we are teleporting qbits (quantum bits – information not matter) with a science process called ‘entanglement’ and this happens instantaneously. I believe Bruce, Arthur Godfrey, Lindberg, etc. were teleported, just like those qbits. The real problem, however, is current science cannot explain what entanglement is, what is behind this phenomena – sort of like not really knowing what gravity is either. Snake oil is my project to explain these phenomena – until these can be explained and proven both Bermuda and the Dragon Triangles plus a host of other unexplained phenomena will remain mysteries. Teleportation is real, time tunnels and universe fabric bending is science fiction, just ask the UFOs!! No I don’t talk to aliens, I believe they are dumber than us (well some of us) - that’s why they are here! Bruce, if you read this – put propellers into your equation! Great username/ first post combination! Welcome to the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/36 "2013-10-05T13:36:32Z")
What does Billy Meier have to say about all this? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/37 "2013-10-05T15:29:52Z")
> [@snakeoil](#): > > Today we are teleporting qbits (quantum bits – information not matter) with a science process called ‘entanglement’ and this happens instantaneously. This is wrong enough that it stops everything. Information cannot be transported faster than the speed of light. Read any good popular book on the limitations of light speed and you’ll see that this is basic, as basic as the provision that massed matter cannot reach light speed. Scientists do not understand entanglement, true, but they are pretty sure that nothing is being transported. Some deeper aspect is as at work they haven’t found yet. That aspect is not teleportation. And entanglement is not teleportation. You’re basing your “project” on a misunderstanding of current science, and that can never take you beyond current science. People are going to laugh at you here if you make rookie mistakes like that. ---
**Author:** ![snakeoil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f475e1/32.png) [@snakeoil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snakeoil)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/38 "2013-10-05T21:46:49Z")
I am sorry, I thought I was talking to an expert - I truly doubt if anyone on any forum can answer those questions to my satisfaction. I will just have to keep plowing through those fields to uncover the answers to those very basic questions. But thank-you for your and assistance! ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/39 "2013-10-05T22:10:39Z")
> [@snakeoil](#): > > I am sorry, I thought I was talking to an expert - I truly doubt if anyone on any forum can answer those questions to my satisfaction. I will just have to keep plowing through those fields to uncover the answers to those very basic questions. But thank-you for your and assistance! You ARE talking to SEVERAL experts, if you mean about the OP, the Bermuda Triangle. If we don’t happen to agree with you, or suggest you could do some research, or intimate that you are insufficiently prepared, are you going to stomp off in a huff because you didn’t get the answers you hoped for? Or did you just come to this thread to talk about quantum stuff and science fiction? If so, start a thread about that topic and state your questions as succinctly as you can. And stand back – we have some experts on those subjects here, too. Prepare to learn. ---
**Author:** ![snakeoil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f475e1/32.png) [@snakeoil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snakeoil)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993/40 "2013-10-05T22:41:44Z")
This is wrong enough that it stops everything. Information cannot be transported faster than the speed of light. Read any good popular book on the limitations of light speed and you’ll see that this is basic, as basic as the provision that massed matter cannot reach light speed. _I most certainly cannot argue you assessment on current science/technology not capable of exceeding the speed of light, but you have to understand we aren’t proposing current science/technology. Teleporting objects can never happen with current science. If one wants to teleport objects (not qbits) they need to think outside the box - something Stephen Hawking forbids. There are fourteen things that move Faster Than Light (FTL), per FTL Superluminal Loopholes In Physics, Nick Herbert, Ph.D. (also Author of Quantum Reality)states in his book and it is pure logic - dumb farm kids understand!_ Scientists do not understand entanglement, true, but they are pretty sure that nothing is being transported. Some deeper aspect is as at work they haven’t found yet. That aspect is not teleportation. And entanglement is not teleportation. _If they don’t understand it, why would ‘they’ be sure it isn’t teleportation? I guess I don’t understand your logic?? I do like “some deeper aspect is at work they haven’t found yet”; perfect my point exactly. Our science is a reverse engineering process and over time, (without any doubt) ‘they’ will uncover everything - if there is enough time! I agree (leastwise now) entanglement is NOT teleportation, But understanding what entanglement really is will ALLOW teleportation._ You’re basing your “project” on a misunderstanding of current science, and that can never take you beyond current science. People are going to laugh at you here if you make rookie mistakes like that. \*\*That is one reason it was called Project Snake Oil - current science will never provide me the vehicle to achieve the project’s objectives - levitation of very large objects and teleportation. People laughed at Einstein, Tesla, and a host of others, they were all somebody, not me, I’m jut some dumb farm kid - what do I care if some wants to laugh at me, I just hope that I made their day!! The real truth is never found in words (or in equations) in always lies within the taste. Here is quote for you to ponder: “There are three steps in the revelation of truth: n the first it is ridiculed; in the second, resisted; in the third, it is considered self-evident.” Schopenhaur (1788-1860). I am only in the first still!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-bruce-gernon/563993.md?page=3)