# Bermuda Triangle - may have claimed another victim **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 3, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402 "2015-10-03T19:38:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/1 "2015-10-03T19:38:53Z")
It’s been awhile since a plane or ship vanished in the Bermuda Triangle. Looks like the old girl woke up hungry. The thing is, for a true Bermuda Triangle incident, there won’t be any wreckage. Its happened quite a few times. Many claim the Triangle is a myth but can’t explain why theres no wreckage. That seabed has been searched many times and the missing ships and planes never found. > **[Bermuda Triangle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle)** > > Reportedly haunted locations: > The Bermuda Triangle, also known as the Devil's Triangle, is a loosely defined region in the western part of the North Atlantic Ocean where, according to an urban legend,\[citation needed\] a number of aircraft and ships are said to have disappeared under mysterious circumstances. The idea of the area as uniquely prone to disappearances arose in the mid-20th century, but most reputable sources dismiss the idea that there is any mystery. > The earliest suggestion of ... > **[Life ring from missing U.S. cargo ship El Faro with 28 Americans aboard found...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/10/05/life-ring-from-missing-us-cargo-ship-el-faro-with-28-americans-aboard-found-adrift-in-bermuda-triangle/)** > > A life ring belonging to a cargo ship that vanished with 28 American and five Polish crew members aboard was spotted adrift by searchers Saturday afternoon. The flotsam was first discovered by crew… Sure hope this ship is found with the crew safe. Its still early and they may get rescued yet. > [@](#): > > The mystery continues as officials says there’s still no sign of the 28 Americans and five Poles aboard the cargo ship that disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle during Hurricane Joaquin this week. > > The last communication with the 735-foot long El Faro was Thursday’s 7:30 a.m. distress call from 35 miles off Crooked Island while the ship was en route to San Juan, Puerto Rico, from Jacksonville, Fla. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/2 "2015-10-03T20:10:47Z")
The idea that a lot of ships go missing in the area is a myth. > [@aceplace57](#): > > That seabed has been searched many times and the missing ships and planes never found. What does this mean? The triangle area is over 1 million square miles in size and up to 10,000 feet deep. To search every inch of that would cost billions. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/3 "2015-10-03T20:21:35Z")
I’ve watched a couple documentaries on the search for the lost WWII planes. They used modern methods to analyze the radio traffic and estimate the flight paths. Searched the seabed. Nada I don’t know if the Bermuda Triangle is true or not. But these missing ships and planes are one heck of a mystery that is yet to be solved. Bermuda Triangle books were a big thing in the late 70’s and 80’s. I’m keeping an open mind that there could be some magnetic anomaly that effects radio and compass instruments. Thats been the most consistently reported problem in Bermuda incidents. I haven’t heard any similar issues with modern GPS. Only the old school instruments prior to the 1970’s. For those youngsters not familiar with the missing planes. > **[Aircraft Squadron Disappears in the Bermuda Triangle](https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/aircraft-squadron-lost-in-the-bermuda-triangle)** > > Five U.S. Navy torpedo-bombers take off from the Ft. Lauderdale Naval Air Station in Florida on a routine three-hour training mission and are never seen again. Full list by date of Bermuda Triangle incidents > **[List of Bermuda Triangle incidents](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bermuda_Triangle_incidents)** > > This is a list of incidents attributed in popular culture to the Bermuda Triangle or Devil's Triangle. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/4 "2015-10-03T20:29:20Z")
A ship goes missing, probably sunk in a hurricane, and the mystery is??? Oh I forgot, no ship ever went missing in a hurricane anywhere in the world before. Good God, I mean, sometimes these doofuses really need to generate a teeny tiny little bit of critical thought ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/5 "2015-10-03T20:34:15Z")
Bob Ballard found the Titanic and several other ships. I keep hoping he’ll use that high tech gear to find the USS Cyclops. Prove once and for all what happened to it. Its considered the first Bermuda Triangle incident. > [@](#): > > The incident resulting in the single largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy not related to combat occurred when the collier USS Cyclops, carrying a full load of manganese ore and with one engine out of action, went missing without a trace with a crew of 309 sometime after March 4, 1918, after departing the island of Barbados. Although there is no strong evidence for any single theory, many independent theories exist, some blaming storms, some capsizing, and some suggesting that wartime enemy activity was to blame for the loss.[39][40] In addition, two of Cyclops '​s sister ships, Proteus and Nereus were subsequently lost in the North Atlantic during World War II. Both ships were transporting heavy loads of metallic ore similar to that which was loaded on Cyclops during her fatal voyage. In all three cases structural failure due to overloading with a much denser cargo than designed is considered the most likely cause of sinking. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/6 "2015-10-03T20:42:02Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > A ship goes missing, probably sunk in a hurricane, and the mystery is??? > > Oh I forgot, no ship ever went missing in a hurricane anywhere in the world before. > > Good God, I mean, sometimes these doofuses really need to generate a teeny tiny little bit of critical thought It went missing in the Bermuda Triangle. That gets people’s attention. You do realize at lease six books were written about the Bermuda Triangle? Numerous documentaries? Expeditions by people determined to find wreckage and prove the Triangle theoriest wrong? I don’t know if its a thing or not, but its fascinating to read about. I’m not a supporter or denier. I’m just a guy on the sidelines watching and eating popcorn. The debate on the Bermuda Triangle is a fun show to watch. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/7 "2015-10-03T20:53:30Z")
From what I’ve read, there are statistically no more disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle than in any other similar-sized and similarly-heavily-trafficked area of the world’s oceans. Any place with lots of air and sea traffic is going to have occasional disappearances. [For example](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle#Criticism_of_the_concept). ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/8 "2015-10-03T20:53:46Z")
It must be true. It would be ridiculous to assume the boat disappeared just because of a hurricane. Clearly the triangular shape of the region is responsible for the numerous mysteriously missing ships and planes. Some of these incidents are so mysterious that all records of the ships and incidents have disappeared as well. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/9 "2015-10-03T21:03:08Z")
I expect this latest ship to turn up. GPS navigation is very reliable. The issue over the Triangle was malfunctioning compasses and early radio navigation. Easily explained by some sort of magnetic interference in that region under certain weather conditions. Instrument errors was reported by planes that got lost and eventually found a place to land safely. They were way off course. The odd thing was the instruments tested fine later. I’ve read about the Triangle most of my life. Its a fun and interesting debate to follow but I don’t fully embrace it. either. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/10 "2015-10-03T21:14:25Z")
[From here.](http://gizmodo.com/the-truth-about-the-bermuda-triangle-1507231040) > [@](#): > > After extensively researching the issue, Kusche concluded that the number of disappearances that occurred within the Bermuda Triangle wasn’t actually greater than in any other similarly trafficked area of the ocean, and that other writers presented misinformation—such as not reporting storms that occurred on the same day as disappearances, and sometimes even making it seem as though the conditions had been calm for the purposes of creating a sensational story. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/11 "2015-10-03T22:54:37Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Bob Ballard found the Titanic and several other ships. I keep hoping he’ll use that high tech gear to find the USS Cyclops. Prove once and for all what happened to it. Its considered the first Bermuda Triangle incident. The location of the RMS Titanic when it sank was well known, and the challenge was locating the vessel at the depth of over twelve thousand feet BMSL which was broken in half and mostly buried in the benthic seabed. Most vessels lost at sea, and particularly the supposed ‘mystery’ sinkings claimed as evidence of some kind of supernatural phenomenon in the Bermuda Triangle and elsewhere are usually lost at an unknown position in broad ocean area. Even with modern search methods and tools, finding a vessel resting on the sea bottom in broad ocean area is very difficult and laborious. > [@aceplace57](#): > > It went missing in the Bermuda Triangle. That gets people’s attention. You do realize at lease six books were written about the Bermuda Triangle? Numerous documentaries? Expeditions by people determined to find wreckage and prove the Triangle theoriest wrong? > > I don’t know if its a thing or not, but its fascinating to read about. I’m not a supporter or denier. I’m just a guy on the sidelines watching and eating popcorn. The debate on the Bermuda Triangle is a fun show to watch. There are at least nine books on the house at 112 Ocean Avenue, Amityville, Long Island, NY, despite the fact that there isn’t one piece of real evidence that there is anything supernatural occurring at that house and the account of the Lutz’s has just a string of inconsistancies and outright fraud. There is no more evidence of bizarre behavior within the supposed Bermuda triangle, other than that it is an area with a lot of storms and current along with deep areas where a wreck could fall and be completely concealed in the seabed. There is no “Bermuda debate”. The deaths of people and loss of ships at sea is an all too common and often avoidable tragedy that is not a “fun show to watch”. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/12 "2015-10-03T23:09:00Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > There is no “Bermuda debate”. The deaths of people and loss of ships at sea is an all too common and often avoidable tragedy that is not a “fun show to watch”. > > Stranger Thank you ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/13 "2015-10-03T23:14:13Z")
I guess the Bermuda Triangle craze died with the 1980’s. oh well, it was fun while it lasted. anyway, this hurricane is certainly real and producing some terrible conditions for search and rescue. Dirty dancing weather out there for sure. > **[Life ring from missing cargo ship is found | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/03/us/el-faro-missing-ship-hurricane-joaquin/)** > > Somewhere at sea for more than 48 hours now, the El Faro container ship with 28 Americans and five Polish nationals is lost and battered by Hurricane Joaquin. > [@](#): > > On Friday, the Coast Guard dispatched a cutter ship, an MH-60 Jayhawk rescue helicopter and a C-130 Hercules airplane, but while the C-130 flew as low as 2,000 feet – far below the normal 10,000 feet for such a storm – it was not able to get close to El Faro’s last known location off the Bahamas. > > “There’s so much wind, thunderstorms and sea spray that it is difficult to see,” Coast Guard Capt. Mark Fedor told CNN’s Eric Burnett on Friday. “But our hope is that they are either on the vessel or on life rafts, and we can identify them.” > > CNN meteorologist Jennifer Gray noted that the ship may have been able to ride out the storm as it passed, or it might have been dragged northward with it. The problem is that, at this point, nobody really knows. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/14 "2015-10-03T23:29:31Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > \ There is no “Bermuda debate”. The deaths of people and loss of ships at sea is an all too common and often avoidable tragedy that is not a “fun show to watch”. > > Stranger There’s a difference in a cultural event like the Bermuda Triangle and the actual tragedies that occur at sea. Bermuda Triangle mania was a huge cultural thing in the 80’s like big hair bands and Bigfoot. It spawned a lot of books and tv. It was a fun and harmless diversion while it lasted. Of course we all hope the crew of this ship is ok, The Coast Guard is out there looking for them right now. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/15 "2015-10-03T23:46:08Z")
The nearly continuous flow of shipping and later on air traffic between the US East Coast and the Caribbean to the East of Cuba since before the 20th century has made for thousands, heck, tens of thousands of crossings of the so-called “triangle”. I myself must have crossed it one way or the other almost a hundred times. But yes, this will only be added to the tally of “mystery” with whatever outcome other than perfect recovery of ship and crew. Which is not to make us cocky. For all our technology and savvy, just one critical malfunction or mistake in the operation of our wonder machines, or in deciding where or how to search, and we may be well and truly lost. Some pop culture purveyors will play on the notion that nothing should be “lost” these days. Just shows what they know. MV El Faro left Jacksonville on Tuesday. The berth where it should have been docked this morning is visible from one of my routes to work. It yet awaits. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/16 "2015-10-03T23:53:06Z")
There’s some more detailed discussion of the ship’s disappearance in a [thread on a shipping forum](http://www.gcaptain.com/forum/maritime-news/17656-sea-star-el-faro.html), where the mood does not appear too optimistic. Let us hope there is a positive outcome to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/17 "2015-10-04T00:11:11Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s been awhile since a plane or ship vanished in the Bermuda Triangle. Looks like the old girl woke up hungry. The thing is, for a true Bermuda Triangle incident, there won’t be any wreckage. Its happened quite a few times. Many claim the Triangle is a myth but can’t explain why theres no wreckage. That seabed has been searched many times and the missing ships and planes never found. > [@aceplace57](#): > > There’s a difference in a cultural event like the Bermuda Triangle and the actual tragedies that occur at sea. Bermuda Triangle mania was a huge cultural thing in the 80’s like big hair bands and Bigfoot. It spawned a lot of books and tv. It was a fun and harmless diversion while it lasted. Is it my imagination or did you go from credulous to skeptical in less than four hours in the same thread? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/18 "2015-10-04T00:14:30Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Is it my imagination or did you go from credulous to skeptical in less than four hours in the same thread? Hey, it’s just _harmless fun_ dancing on the Watery graves of the crew of this ship. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/19 "2015-10-04T00:18:34Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Is it my imagination or did you go from credulous to skeptical in less than four hours in the same thread? I’ve always been skeptical. The Bermuda Triangle has been a cultural thing since my junior high years. It really took off after a book was published in the early 70’s. I read it a couple times. I follow the Triangle lore like Bigfoot, with a lot of skepticism. The books and tv shows are entertaining. They are saying this ship might get added to the Triangle list if no wreckage is found. A very big if. Thats entirely separate from the real events themselves. The Coast Guard is the real deal and they go out on search and rescue no matter what the weather. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402/20 "2015-10-04T00:22:18Z")
Your OP didn’t sound like a skeptic talking. For one thing, I doubt that a skeptic would even think of mentioning the Bermuda Triangle when something happens in the area. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bermuda-triangle-may-have-claimed-another-victim/733402.md?page=2)