# Bernie DESTROYS the opposition in Nevada **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 23, 2020, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375 "2020-02-23T01:30:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/81 "2020-02-23T04:29:43Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Hey, **Socsback**! Long time no see, huh? Oh shit. I just read that username out loud. Goddammit. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/82 "2020-02-23T04:30:53Z")
[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/entrance-polls-2020-nevada-caucuses/?itid=hp\_hp-top-table-main\_entrancepolls-330pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans]Here’s some interesting data about Nevada caucus demographics. What surprises me most is how broad Sanders’s support is. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/83 "2020-02-23T04:56:09Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Bernie and Trump are essentially campaigning against the same thing, the entrenched Washington establishment, and the message resonates with the voters. I agree. I tried to make the case here before but the Clintonistas, which are rampant on this board, would have none of it. Trump was a message that the populace hates Washington so they threw a grenade in there in the guise of Donald Trump. Bernie Sanders is the left’s version of that grenade. What the political parties should take-away from this is that the populace fucking hates all of them with a passion. They are less popular than [hemorrhoids, Nickleback and herpes](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/apr/14/arnold-schwarzenegger/congress-really-less-popular-hemorrhoids-and-herpe/). But their jobs depend on not fixing that so we are left with this mess. So, get the person in there who will try to change things (Sanders) and not the person who will, at best, keep doing the same shit that has not worked for 50 years. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/84 "2020-02-23T05:22:33Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Bernie and Trump are essentially campaigning against the same thing, the entrenched Washington establishment, and the message resonates with the voters. > > If you tend right then Trump is your guy, left it is Bernie. And the established government, some times called the Deep State, is just shitting their pants. > > Because it is going to be one or the other who is the next president, and neither will follow the expectations of the bureaucrats . > > This is very amusing to watch. To be fair Bernie is a serious candidate with a history of conscientious public service, who has an agenda that includes all americans, along a recognized shared reality and hope for justice. I think it needs to be stated explicitly whenever he is placed alongside of trunp in a sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/85 "2020-02-23T05:34:42Z")
What’s likely to happen from this point on, IMHO, isn’t that any of the non-Bernie rivals will gain ground on Bernie, but rather that the DNC/MSM/everyone who isn’t a Trump voter will just make their peace more and more with the idea of a Bernie presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/86 "2020-02-23T05:35:35Z")
Looking at he results as they are now (9:30p in Las Vegas): - Sanders: 46.8% - Biden: 20.7% - Buttigieg: 15.1% - Warren: 9.5% - Klobuchar: 4% - Steyer: 3.7% The rest are not worth mentioning (well below 1%). To me the news here is Buttigieg doing as well as he did. If they cleared the field of Biden and the rest (not including Sanders) I think Buttigieg might have a shot. Of course, the complaint here will be Biden is doing better than Buttigieg but I doubt he is the better candidate. He is riding on Obama’s coattails. Won’t get him all the way. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/87 "2020-02-23T06:03:12Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Wow…you just figured that out. No one in 40 years has thought to go there for 40 years nobody “went there” against Sanders because he was irrelevant, was unknown, and didn’t draw any attention. Now they are paying attention, and here’s some of what they will learn: From the link in post 64 to the editorial in the Guardian (a leftish newspaper in Britain): > [@](#): > > the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont’s nuclear waste to Texas where it would be dumped in a poor Hispanic community, that he honeymooned in the Soviet Union, and that he appeared at a 1985 rally in Nicaragua at which Sandinista supporters chanted “Here, there / the Yankee will die.” And then there’s Sanders’ fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men… > After the Trump campaign and Fox News got through weaponizing this, the usual conservative charges against Sanders would seem almost benign These are the kind of stories that hit people in the gut. Biden may be boring, but that’s better than being punched in the gut. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/88 "2020-02-23T06:09:46Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > for 40 years nobody “went there” against Sanders because he was irrelevant, was unknown, and didn’t draw any attention. I didn’t realize he was “irrelevant” and “unknown” in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/89 "2020-02-23T06:17:14Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > for 40 years nobody “went there” against Sanders because he was irrelevant, was unknown, and didn’t draw any attention. Do you really think when you run for the senate you are an “unknown” and your opponents are all, “Meh…it’s just Vermont, who gives a fuck?” Not to mention he ran for the nomination for president in 2016. I am sure Hillary Clinton was nice about oppo research on him. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/90 "2020-02-23T06:31:35Z")
Bernie Bros may be real. But you know who’s definitely real? The working class Latina moms who put Bernie over the top in Nevada. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/91 "2020-02-23T06:36:52Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > But then her campaign went in on that weird attack on Sanders that he told her a woman cannot win…never-mind that he asked her to run in 2016, Was this an attack by the campaign or was it some journalists trying to drum up drama before the debate? There’s some reporting indicating that the comment was related to journalists in off-the-record meetings in **2018** : > [@Ryan Grim](#): > > NOT LONG AFTER meeting with Sanders at the end of 2018 to discuss her impending presidential run, Warren hosted an off-the-record dinner with a number of journalists, according to sources with knowledge of it. At the dinner, Warren was asked about her meeting with Sanders, and in the course of the discussion, she relayed that Sanders had warned that he didn’t believe a woman could beat Donald Trump in 2020. Different reporters recalled the comments differently, a mirror image of the dispute between Warren and Sanders over exactly what Sanders said — with Warren saying that Sanders argued a woman couldn’t beat Trump, while Sanders said that he only said that Trump would weaponize misogyny against a woman, not that it would work. (All-caps in original) [Could Warren Be Both VP and Treasury Secretary, Sanders Campaign Asked](https://theintercept.com/2020/01/17/sanders-warren-vice-president-treasury-secretary/) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/92 "2020-02-23T06:43:54Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > Was this an attack by the campaign or was it some journalists trying to drum up drama before the debate? There’s some reporting indicating that the comment was related to journalists in off-the-record meetings in **2018** : I do not know. I do know the question was asked of Sanders in a nationally televised debate, Sanders denied it and then Warren was asked the question as if Sanders had not just denied it 10 seconds before. Warren went with it but she never said if it was true or not. To me this is straight forward. Did Sanders say “X” or not? If he did…fine, go from there. If not put an end to it. But Warren chose this weird middle road. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/93 "2020-02-23T12:03:34Z")
I imagine that Warren and Sanders remember that conversation slightly differently, because they’re both humans. I support Sanders, but I like Warren, and their differing memories about that conversation doesn’t bother me one bit. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/94 "2020-02-23T12:16:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I didn’t realize he was “irrelevant” and “unknown” in 2016. I’d bet that going into that cycle (IOW, on 1/1/2015), 3/4 of the American people had no idea who the hell he was. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/95 "2020-02-23T12:34:26Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > going into that cycle , 3/4 of the American people had no idea who the hell he was. That was my point, and the reason that I posted the quote from the Guardian newspaper above. We are going to see many more articles and videos on the topics in that editorial. Before 2016, Sanders was totally unknown on the national scene. Then during the 2016 campaign,he became know for his ideas, not his personal record. That was because everybody knew that Hilary was the anointed queen of the party, and Sanders had no chance of becoming the leader. So people listened to and debated his policies, not his leadership skills. That was okay for 2016. But now he’s running to become the leader, the commander in chief and the face of the country. For that role, it is now legitimate to discuss things which were conveniently ignored in 2016—his personal background, his history and all his dirty laundry. And he has a _lot_ of dirty laundry. The republicans and Fox news will show it all. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/96 "2020-02-23T12:38:28Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > But now he’s running to become the leader, the commander in chief and the face of the country. For that role, it is now legitimate to discuss things which were conveniently ignored in 2016—his personal background, his history and all his dirty laundry. > > And he has a _lot_ of dirty laundry. > The republicans and Fox news will show it all. Interesting idea. BTW, did you know that Donald Trump was sued by the federal government in 1973 for illegally discriminating against black tenants in the apartments he managed? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/97 "2020-02-23T13:09:37Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Wow…you just figured that out. No one in 40 years has thought to go there but now that you have Sanders is surely done. :rolleyes: I’m responding to many of the implied or explicit statements that Bernie is no more vulnerable to Republican attacks than any other Democratic nominee. I believe he absolutely is. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Trump was a message that the populace hates Washington so they threw a grenade in there in the guise of Donald Trump. Bernie Sanders is the left’s version of that grenade. This is true. But Bernie is the left’s version of a disruptive grenade _ **in a country that is predominantly right-wing** _ by global standards and by Bernie’s standards, in a country in which the performance of the stock market and the robustness of the job market are valued above all things, both of which are currently doing well under Republican policies. And in America, uniquely in the industrialized world, the job market is inextricably interlinked with access to health care, which Bernie has promised to totally reform but that’s going to be a long, tough lift. If I sound like I’m channeling Saint Reagan, I’m only reflecting what I see and hear and not what I hope for. No one would celebrate more than me if Bernie won the presidency and had a Democratic Congress to support him. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/98 "2020-02-23T13:13:02Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > There is no doubt Bernie kicked ass today. It is so very Bernie Bro to be a sore winner when he wins and cry rigged when he loses. Should they not celebrate? Perhaps a solemn wake is more appropriate? ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/99 "2020-02-23T14:10:10Z")
I would suggest people who have money and enough free time get up to speed read this book, [The Populist’s Guide to 2020: A New Right and New Left are Rising](https://www.amazon.com/Populists-Guide-2020-Right-Rising/dp/1947492454) ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375/100 "2020-02-23T16:47:32Z")
So, before the Nevada caucus, I heard that over 70,000 Democrats had voted early. Looking at the popular vote totals now, there are about 55,000 votes with 60% of precincts reporting. Doing the math, that would mean the total popular vote will be about 92,000. Does that mean only 20,000 people voted during the actual caucuses? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-destroys-the-opposition-in-nevada/848375.md?page=6)