# Bernie hates Obama so he's a racist **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 12, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924 "2016-02-12T13:29:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/21 "2016-02-12T15:17:46Z")
Some Sanders supporters are getting seriously unhinged. I think they’re just not used to their preferred candidate getting called out on stuff - which is interesting because they savagely go after Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/22 "2016-02-12T15:21:20Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Bernie hates Obama so he’s a racist Cite? > [@TriPolar](#): > > In last night’s debate Hillary made her point very clear, she worships the ground Obama walks on but Bernie doesn’t so ‘black people’ shouldn’t vote for him. Cite? > [@TriPolar](#): > > She admits that maybe she once upon a time disagreed with Obama on some policy issue but she’s never said a harsh word about him personally because he’s the best president we ever had and how dare Bernie criticize him about anything? Cite? > [@TriPolar](#): > > Now she did manage to close with a positive message. I don’t have the exact wording so I’ll have to paraphrase here: > > "When I am elected the first woman president the skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect,” she said dryly as the crowd erupted. This has already been refuted by BobLibDem in post 3. I’m confident you won’t be able to find a cite for any of the other quotes you gave. What happened to the Republican Party? Why do so many of its supporters just make things up? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/23 "2016-02-12T15:25:19Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Very good Quick Draw, but I didn’t make it up entirely. The paraphrase is from [Hillary Clinton criticizing Barak Obama for his lofty goals in the 2008 election](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/clinton-gets-sarcastic-mocks-obama/). But let’s not let the facts get in the way of Hillary’s undying loyalty to Barak Obama and her lifelong pursuit of his policies. So you didn’t make it up, you just presented in a way to give it the exact opposite meaning. She was criticizing Obama’s campaign the same way she’s criticizing Sanders’ - he’s selling you a bag of dreams. And criticizing an opponent in a primary is a lot different than doing it to the sitting President who’s about to run for re-election which I’m sure is obvious to you. And Bernie really should have been more careful about who he writes blurbs for. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/24 "2016-02-12T15:32:30Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So you didn’t make it up, you just presented in a way to give it the exact opposite meaning. She was criticizing Obama’s campaign the same way she’s criticizing Sanders’ - he’s selling you a bag of dreams. And criticizing an opponent in a primary is a lot different than doing it to the sitting President who’s about to run for re-election which I’m sure is obvious to you. > > And Bernie really should have been more careful about who he writes blurbs for. I am pointing out that she is hypocritical and a downright liar for claiming that she’s never been critical of Barak Obama, and that’s there’s something wrong with Bernie doing the same thing. In addition, read post #3 and listen to the rest of the debate. She blatantly stated that she knows how to fix the laundry list of problems that any or all Democrats see as a problem in this country without ever once specifying how, just that she knows how to do and we should trust her to do it, in other words… "When I am elected the first woman president the skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect,” she said dryly as the crowd erupted. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/25 "2016-02-12T15:36:05Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Tripolar, if you can only make sausage by being unpleasant, may I suggest you make a different dish? > > Saying nasty things about one’s primary opponent is not a necessary part of this process. You don’t have to do it. I respectfully disagree, to a certain extent. I would prefer to make a tasty mushroom risotto right now. A pleasant dish, though one requiring patience and attention. But I don’t see that as a realistic approach in our political world. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/26 "2016-02-12T15:37:32Z")
She admitted in the debate, that she had disagreed with Obama in the past. Did you miss that? She just wanted to make it look like Bernie did it more and at the wrong times. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/27 "2016-02-12T15:55:15Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Which is ironic considering back in the Sixties he got arrested for protesting segregated housing whilst Hillary was out canvassing for Barry Goldwater. In the Eighties, he endorsed Jesse Jackson for President. Twice. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/28 "2016-02-12T16:04:39Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I respectfully disagree, to a certain extent. I would prefer to make a tasty mushroom risotto right now. A pleasant dish, though one requiring patience and attention. But I don’t see that as a realistic approach in our political world. So you think saying nasty things about Clinton is a more realistic path to success, huh? Okay, lemme know how that’s working out for you. For myself, having allies who are behaving in the political ways I dislike so strongly, the political ways I see Sanders offering an alternative to, will only sap my enthusiasm. Won’t change how I think about the campaign, but it’ll change how I feel. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/29 "2016-02-12T16:21:21Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Anyone who has any sort of negative opinion about Obama is a racist. Obama’s greatness is such that it’s inconceivable that anyone would deny it unless they hated all African-Americans. Not just African-Americans but every other race that is not white as well. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/30 "2016-02-12T16:30:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So you think saying nasty things about Clinton is a more realistic path to success, huh? Okay, lemme know how that’s working out for you. For myself, having allies who are behaving in the political ways I dislike so strongly, the political ways I see Sanders offering an alternative to, will only sap my enthusiasm. Won’t change how I think about the campaign, but it’ll change how I feel. I think that in this particular case the negative campaigning is an integral part of the Clinton strategy and has infected the discussion. So at this point I don’t mind pointing that out or pointing out the gross hypocrisy it involves. I’ve been on this planet for too long I suppose, I’ve seen many elections and seen the inside of the political world also, and calling it sausage is putting a pretty face on it. So I am certainly jaded. I agree Bernie is calling for a change in the way we do this, and I fervently wish for him to succeed in that respect, but I don’t have faith in people to hold to those ideals when they feel their own ox is being gored. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/31 "2016-02-12T16:41:53Z")
Democracy would be a better idea if the operative units were not people. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/32 "2016-02-12T16:46:17Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > In the Eighties, he endorsed Jesse Jackson for President. > > Twice. Donna Brazile said on CNN last night that Bernie only endorsed Jackson once, and that was in 1988. Bernie endorsed Walter Mondale in 1984, when Brazile was a campaign manager for Jackson. She seemed to hold that against him. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/33 "2016-02-12T17:02:18Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Donna Brazile said on CNN last night that Bernie only endorsed Jackson once, and that was in 1988. Bernie endorsed Walter Mondale in 1984, when Brazile was a campaign manager for Jackson. She seemed to hold that against him. Huh. CNN reported that [“Jackson and Sanders have history together: The independent senator endorsed Jackson’s failed 1984 and 1988 presidential campaigns.”](http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/17/politics/bernie-sanders-jesse-jackson-black-lives-matter/) Daily Kos had it, [too](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/5/1399373/-The-night-Bernie-Sanders-endorsed-Jesse-Jackson-for-President-of-the-USA): “Bernie had previously endorsed Jesse Jackson in 1984 as well. Needless to say, the Democratic establishment wasn’t happy with Bernie … Bernie Sanders is one of the only elected White officeholders who endorsed Jesse Jackson for President (twice!). In 1984, he got slapped at a rally when he endorsed Jackson (though the slap was probably for remaining an Independent Socialist, rather than a Democrat). In 1988, Sanders and his organizers helped Jackson win a surprise victory in the Vermont caucuses–by one state delegate. In Jesse’s memorable phrase, Bernie Sanders & Jim Hightower were among the few elected White officeholders brave enough to “cross the color line” to support him when it mattered.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/34 "2016-02-12T17:10:19Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Why? I didn’t say Bernie is racist. I’m pretty damn sure he is not. He hasn’t had a history of courting the non-white vote because of Vermont’s demographics. But his heart is in the right place. Sanders has historically identified as a socialist. From a socialist point of view, racial struggle is less important than class struggle, because poor black people and poor white people have more in common with each other than poor white people have with rich white people or poor black people have with rich black people. I’d say there’s a lot of merit to that worldview, if it isn’t necessarily a complete picture. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/35 "2016-02-12T17:21:30Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I’ve only heard it coming from the Clinton campaign. Dividing the Democratic party along ‘racial lines’ is her Southern Strategy. Cite that the Clinton campaign has said this? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/36 "2016-02-12T17:28:13Z")
Supporting Jesse Jackson shouldn’t be a badge of honor. He would have been a terrible president. Nobody ever says that if you hate Obama it’s because you hate black people. It’s just more runny hershey squirts from the right-wing fart machine. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/37 "2016-02-12T17:36:55Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Nobody ever says that if you hate Obama it’s because you hate black people. It’s just more runny hershey squirts from the right-wing fart machine. This MB must contain a whole lot more right wingers than I thought … ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/38 "2016-02-12T18:02:08Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > "When I am elected the first woman president the skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect,” she said dryly as the crowd erupted. Still waiting on a cite for this sentence. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/39 "2016-02-12T18:04:11Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Still waiting on a cite for this sentence. Post 22, 23 ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924/40 "2016-02-12T18:17:52Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Post 22, 23 I saw. I was just asking about his wonderful use of hyperbole. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-hates-obama-so-hes-a-racist/745924.md?page=3)