# Bernie Sanders makes it official. How far will he go in 2020? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 19, 2019, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821 "2019-02-19T13:11:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/221 "2019-02-25T00:12:57Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I discussed Yang’s ideas now in his thread. So why his ideas leave me unimpressed I’ll leave to that location. Thanks; I appreciate that! > [@DSeid](#): > > More broadly: > > … > > That help? A little…not much…'cause, yes, it’s “broadly” speaking and I was asking about the _minimum_ you could stand. I don’t know what’s the “historical average” but let’s say that all candidates have only been able to fulfill three issues (as opposed to a slew of compromised half-victories)…which three must you absolutely have?? And as specific as possible, please (I know you may not wish for an extended dive into these things; that’s okay, of course) – for example, “not hate” obviously means different things to different people. What would that mean to you (if that’s one of your must-have three issues/characteristics/outcomes/policies)?? ---
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/222 "2019-02-25T00:15:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > One thing to keep in mind as we post, here and elsewhere, is that there are people who are paid to spread dissension and ill-feeling and disinformation. (As well as people who do it for free, out of ideological fervor or mental illness.) > > _Politico_ just published a big article that’s well worth a look: > > [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/2020-candidates-social-media-attack-1176018](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/2020-candidates-social-media-attack-1176018) > > As always when this topic comes up, it’s worth noting that no claim that the SDMB is a primary target is being made. However, spreading ill-will and encouraging resentment and division are skills, and people do need to learn them somewhere. A medium-sized message board is useful for that purpose. > > That’s not to say anything about any particular poster, of course. Any one individual could be picking fights for reasons of their own that have no connection with 2020, or with organized efforts to influence the 2020 election. > > Getting people likely to vote for a Democrat to feel angry and irritated and targeted, and, therefore, more likely to withdraw from politics—and voting!—altogether, is always considered a worthy use of time for pro-authoritarians, of course. Thanks very much for the reminder. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but certainly at some point further correspondence is even more counter-productive than before. ---
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/223 "2019-02-25T00:34:13Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Checking … yes we are in Sanders’ thread. How does he stack up on my metrics? > > Not so sure he has the skills or temperament for the office. To detail, I do not see him building the coalitions of support to get things done and I see no evidence of him as an effective manager of a team (there have been credible allegations that he’s a [horrible boss](https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/anger-management-sanders-fights-for-employees-except-his-own/Content?oid=2834657)). Hey, I’ve helped run a business before that took me inside some fabulous residences, folks who own a helicopter, these kinds of people…and you know what? They all suck. Rich, poor, middle-class, whatever…we’ve had priests and nuns try ripping us off – I had to go to court against a union shop steward and Democrat wannabe politician (he lost) for unpaid wages (I won)… And honestly, none of these people are nice. They may smile, they may this or that but they’re full of shit. They got pictures with Hillary, or the local Republican honcho, or both…it doesn’t matter. They are rude, cheap, try to cheat you, make shit up…one was paying $19K/mo. in rent (and that’s cheap for my town) but accused us of “cheating” her when she simply found another company with lower prices – the same one who shared her busines tax deduction strategies unsolicited with me… So that’s all by way of saying, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bernie’s cranky. But not to the point of throwing binders at people, hitting them, like Amy what’s-her-face. And that’s just one story in all these years, and long ago too from when he was first running…so while I wouldn’t be surprised, knowing what I know about human nature no matter their politics, I can’t – and really, no one else has – put any credence into it. > [@DSeid](#): > > I can accept his position on healthcare even if I do not see it as pragmatic and is having the perfect be the enemy of the good. He at least mouths the words right on climate change. Obviously he takes wealth inequality seriously. But he really has no clue about the institutional impacts that hit some worse than others. I think he is clueless on international issues but not someone who is likely to hire good advisors and to listen to them. His answers in general are overly simplistic which sell well but annoy me. Okay; what do you think is missing? What’s the complexity he’s missing? > [@DSeid](#): > > I think he’d have tantrums being attacked by Trump and has never had to really weather that sort of a negative campaign targeted at him to any significant degree. Yeah but this is everyone! No one knows how to deal with Trump…even Trump doesn’t know how to deal with Trump!! And frankly, I think so many people hate Trump because they’re jealous…he gets to troll on national TV and be rewarded with the Presidency while they remain internet tough guys and internet saints (a genuine normie does not post online; we’re “special” no matter how much we wanna act like we’re the good normal folks). > [@DSeid](#): > > On one hand at least he _might_ play well in the Northern Path states but that is more than offset by how divisive of a figure he is and that his Black turnout will likely be off to levels going back to before Kerry. His thread has lots of activity precisely because he is so polarizing within the party. As George Bernard Shaw observed, all progress is made by the unreasonable man. I can’t fault any for being “polarizing.” Heck, it’s the very motivation for our free speech rights! > [@DSeid](#): > > He also will not help down ticket elsewhere much or build for the future. I’m not sure what _you_ mean by “build for the future” but he seems like he’s secured quite a political legacy. > [@DSeid](#): > > Over Trump he gets my support. Over _any other choice_ in the primary field, no. I hope he exits quickly and supports whoever does win hard. So who “has your heart” right now? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/224 "2019-02-25T01:31:19Z")
> [@DavidChou](#): > > Thanks very much for the reminder. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but certainly at some point further correspondence is even more counter-productive than before. Jiu-jitsu is yet another skill that can be practiced on medium-sized message boards. Success will vary, of course. More generally: In a longish opinion piece published today on the CNN site, a major problem Sanders has yet to solve is identified: > [@](#): > > …This debate, in particular, exposes one Sanders’ weaknesses: voters of color. > > Let’s be clear: there is no monolithic black vote in America. As Collier Meyerson wrote for The New Yorker, Sanders did much better with young black voters than older black voters. While he came close to matching Clinton among young voters of color (black and non-black voters), he lost older voters of color by about 60 points. In the buildup to his second presidential campaign, I have not seen Sanders displaying the political skills he’ll need to build a broad coalition and seize a plurality of primary voters. > > Instead, he keeps making unforced errors. After Andrew Gillum and Stacey Abrams, two African American candidates in the midterm elections who lost their respective bids for the governorships in Florida and Georgia, Sanders attributed their losses to race while appearing to excuse any role racism may have played in voter choice. > > He said, “I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American.” Someone who feels uncomfortable voting for a candidate because he or she is black is, in fact, exactly what a racist looks like. … [https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/24/opinions/bernie-sanders-glaring-weakness-perry/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/24/opinions/bernie-sanders-glaring-weakness-perry/index.html) Sanders can’t be anything more than a spoiler if he can’t convince large numbers of people of color that he is the best candidate for them. A relative handful of millennials won’t be enough. And the problem won’t be solved by helpful IRA operatives starting innumerable “[candidate other than Sanders] doesn’t care about black people” memes. Counter-operatives have caught on to this tactic. It won’t work as well as it did in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/225 "2019-02-25T02:01:25Z")
> [@DavidChou](#): > > … So who “has your heart” right now? I have long been a fan of both Harris and Brown as different paths to similar ends. Minimum is anyone not Trump. Even a Republican (but that at more judiciary harms). Sanders is my minimum I guess. Well maybe Yang under him. I also know lots of bosses. Not all are assholes. Actually most treat their employees pretty well. (And btw there is no accusation that Klobuchar threw a binder AT someone. The accusation is that she threw it in a fit of temper and it hit someone inadvertently. I don’t think either should get a bye for this sort of behavior.) Good bosses usually get better results. Not always to be sure. Sanders, IMHO, misses, well \*all \*of the complexity about pretty much everything. We’d need a separate thread on each issue and it is not worth it. Shaw was wrong. Progress is made by not by unreasonably tilting at windmills but by picking tractable problems and bringing to bear solutions that are possible. Unreasonable pontification can be great for virtue signaling but it gets little accomplished. Building for the future is helping those down ticket races in states you lose, moving the needle for the party in states that currently lean Red ever more Blueward, helping to develop the party infrastructure in those areas too. ---
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/226 "2019-02-25T05:55:32Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Jiu-jitsu is yet another skill that can be practiced on medium-sized message boards. Success will vary, of course. I prefer Ignore Fu! > [@Sherrerd](#): > > More generally: > In a longish opinion piece published today on the CNN site, a major problem Sanders has yet to solve is identified: > > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/24/opinions/bernie-sanders-glaring-weakness-perry/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/24/opinions/bernie-sanders-glaring-weakness-perry/index.html) > > Sanders can’t be anything more than a spoiler if he can’t convince large numbers of people of color that he is the best candidate for them. A relative handful of millennials won’t be enough. > > And the problem won’t be solved by helpful IRA operatives starting innumerable “[candidate other than Sanders] doesn’t care about black people” memes. Counter-operatives have caught on to this tactic. It won’t work as well as it did in 2016. Yeah, but honestly anyone _not_ black has this problem…I’m curious, please: what do black folks want?? Do you know??? I see reparations – which is a total non-starter…are they just trolling for the best deal they can get, starting high as possible and see what they wind up with from the candidates?? Yeah they want “respect” and “empowerment” and “racial justice” and all that other crap but honestly – like what, tangibly, do they want in terms of laws and policies?? I’m genuinely puzzled. I actually don’t know politics (sure I have opinions but I wouldn’t claim to _know_ in the sense that now I can work as an operative or teach it in class) – it sounds like y’all have been following many an election for many a moon! How would you advise anyone to appeal to blacks?\* Much obliged! - I’m serious. I know someone’s probably gonna quip “well to start don’t say ‘what do blacks want’” or something like that…but I’m serious. Like, is it a certain number of affirmative action hires? Harriet Tubman on the $20 Bill??? (I actually support that!) What??? ---
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/227 "2019-02-25T06:09:01Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I have long been a fan of both Harris and Brown as different paths to similar ends. Ah, so you’re one of 'em dreaded centrists!! No wonder!!! LOL…it’s just as the psychology articles say: people’s political preferences correlate very faithfully with their personalities. End of story: “The rest is commentary,” as the Talmud says! (I read that somewhere – though not in any Talmud.) [/QUOTE] [quote=“DSeid, post:225, topic:829821”] I also know lots of bosses. Not all are assholes. “Power corrupts…” and all that. It’d happen to me, too. Everyone. I’m for that socialist/commie/whatever plan to democratize all companies – all companies are by definition employee-owned. And I mean directly, one-hundred-percently employee-owned – not “owned by the state on behalf of the proletariat.” But that’s from another world, in a time to come, some Star Trek future of plenty… > [@DSeid](#): > > Sanders, IMHO, misses, well \*all \*of the complexity about pretty much everything. We’d need a separate thread on each issue and it is not worth it. Well, is it possible to give me a really strong sense somehow?? Like, does he miss because he’s too sour, or too sweet, or too savory, or too sour, or too bitter? I get the sense that he’s just “too something” for you, but not sure what… > [@DSeid](#): > > Shaw was wrong. Progress is made by not by unreasonably tilting at windmills but by picking tractable problems and bringing to bear solutions that are possible. Unreasonable pontification can be great for virtue signaling but it gets little accomplished. It all begins with unreasonable pontification. Why should slaves have thought they deserved better? Or women? Or anyone not powerful – we all know that the Will to Power is the second most fundamental drive of our minds (preceded by the Will to Pleasure and followed by the Will to Meaning [wherein lies our species’ saving grace]); what is natural is by definition within the natural order of things and thus ordained of God – DEVS VULT – the universe itself wants it, Mother Nature herself has given birth to it…why deny this? Literally everyone honored by history has been unreasonable in some way specific to their achievement. > [@DSeid](#): > > Building for the future is helping those down ticket races in states you lose, moving the needle for the party in states that currently lean Red ever more Blueward, helping to develop the party infrastructure in those areas too. Sooooo…were you for Hillary before switching to Barry?? Just curious! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/228 "2019-02-25T11:43:50Z")
> [@DavidChou](#): > > … Just curious! > [@](#): > > I’m curious, please This is beginning to come off more and more like “Just asking questions!” … To stay on topic - obviously your heart currently belongs to Yang but is Sanders your second choice? Did you vote for Sanders in the primaries last cycle? Did you vote for Clinton in the general? (If you were old enough to vote. My impression is that you are young voter.) You clearly are attracted to Big Ideas. How much higher do you rate having a Big Idea (or more than one) over ability to get things done within the political system we have (which includes but is not limited to winning the election)? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/229 "2019-02-25T15:31:53Z")
Continuing that thought, do you think that those people trying to get things done within the system we have do NOT do so because they have Big Ideas about making things better, EVEN IF that’s combined with an awareness that Politics Is The Art Of The Possible? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/230 "2019-02-25T16:18:23Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That’s about how long I’d wait (as in, permanent hard pass), but everyone can decide for themselves—IF they are labeled. Which is what we were talking about (that’s Bernie’s stance, correct?), until GIGO invented from whole cloth this notion that I was in favor of prohibition. :rolleyes: GIGO prefers to deal with straw men that are easily batted down, you see. You are insisting that harm can still be there, in the future. Sorry, but insisting that does lead others to realize that one logical result is for others (if not you) to continue to be in favor of baning it, of course if you think that then it should be labeled, then let others find that harm… Of course then that is still not even good wishful thinking because as noted there is not even a good mechanism to get that harm when proper testing was made. As for labeling, that is an issue that I do not agree with Bernie, but if it has to be done I do think that using an objective measurement, like the labeling\*\* in all products\*\* the proportion of how much a gene change was there in a crop or animal, it would be good to show that many times “old” non GMO crops have changed more genetically already. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/231 "2019-02-25T17:13:08Z")
> [@DavidChou](#): > > So like why not Andrew Yang and his “Freedom Dividend”-branded U.B.I.?? I’m killing the Andrew Yang hijack in this thread. There is a different thread for that so no more here. I’ll have more to say after I read the rest from this weekend. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/232 "2019-02-25T17:24:42Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > One thing to keep in mind as we post, here and elsewhere, is that there are people who are paid to spread dissension and ill-feeling and disinformation. (As well as people who do it for free, out of ideological fervor or mental illness.) I think this is a great topic, but for another thread. In the context of this discussion, it can come off poorly so let’s not go down this path here. > [@DavidChou](#): > > Thanks very much for the reminder. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but certainly at some point further correspondence is even more counter-productive than before. > [@DavidChou](#): > > I prefer Ignore Fu! There is a prohibition on this board of discussing who is on your ignore list outside the BBQ Pit forum. You’re new so I’ll cut you a bit of slack, but as I recommended previously I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the [rules of the board](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=864546) and of [this forum specifically.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=818217) > [@DavidChou](#): > > Yeah, you’re not an SJW, you just play one on the internet. > > Keep throwing around the race card…it’s not working. No one gives a shit. Even you, obviously. Do not personalize your arguments in this fashion. If you feel you must, you can do so to your heart’s content in the [BBQ Pit Forum.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?f=5) [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/233 "2019-02-25T18:11:09Z")
Some headlines: Bernie Sanders is leading the polling in the New Hampshire Democratic Primary with 27% of the vote over Joe Biden with 25% of the vote. Kamala Harris is at 12%. [Emerson Polling: Bernie Takes Early Lead In New Hampshire Democratic Primary](http://emersonpolling.com/2019/02/23/bernie-takes-early-lead-in-new-hampshire-democratic-primary-potential-tight-us-senate-race-if-gov-sununu-takes-on-sen-shaheen/) > [@](#): > > The first New Hampshire Democratic Primary Poll since Sen. Bernie Sanders announced he’s running for president finds Sanders at a slight advantage with 27% of the vote, former Vice President Joe Biden with 25% and Sen. Kamala Harris at 12%. No other candidate clears double digits. The NH poll was conducted February 21-22 of registered voters, the Democratic primary ballot test had a sample of n=405, +/-4.8%. Bernie Sanders politely asks his followers to respect the other 2020 Democratic challengers. He asks that his followers respect his opponents because unity is required to beat Trump. [Bernie Sanders Politely Asks Supporters Not to Harass His Opponents](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-email-supporters-799468/) > [@](#): > > In his email about 2020, Sanders emphasized that only a united front will have a chance to beat Trump. “Our number one priority is defeating Donald Trump. To do so, we will ultimately have to unite with those who today are our opponents for the Democratic nomination. We won’t always agree with them, but I expect those who speak on behalf of my campaign to always engage respectfully. I am committed to making this nominating process a fair, issues-focused campaign and am asking you for the same,” he concluded. ---
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/234 "2019-02-25T18:55:17Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > This is beginning to come off more and more like “Just asking questions!” … > > To stay on topic - obviously your heart currently belongs to Yang but is Sanders your second choice? Did you vote for Sanders in the primaries last cycle? Did you vote for Clinton in the general? (If you were old enough to vote. My impression is that you are young voter.) > > You clearly are attracted to Big Ideas. How much higher do you rate having a Big Idea (or more than one) over ability to get things done within the political system we have (which includes but is not limited to winning the election)? My initial motivations here were to understand why someone might remain a Bernie Bro despite Andrew’s platform. Instead I find deeply committed Bernie-haters, in the main! So now I’m trying to figure out why y’all hate Bernie – though ultimately I’m beginning to agree with the psychology mags about political preferences being mostly a reflection of innate personality. I’m not a young guy. I come across that way, though, 'cause I’ve never agreed with social conventions. I would’ve voted for Bernie had he had the chance by the time he came to my state. I’ve never voted, in fact – but will now for Andrew! He’s got me even more fired up than Bernie. As for the ol’ pragmatism vs. idealism non-debate: It’s an illusion, a cognitive illusion like Zeno’s Paradox which states that because there’s an infinite number of points between any two points, we can never get anywhere…and yet we do, nevertheless. ---
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/235 "2019-02-25T18:59:54Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I’m killing the Andrew Yang hijack in this thread. There is a different thread for that so no more here. > > [/moderating] Um, how would one compare policies, then??? ---
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/236 "2019-02-25T19:04:29Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > There is a prohibition on this board of discussing who is on your ignore list outside the BBQ Pit forum. You’re new so I’ll cut you a bit of slack, but as I recommended previously I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the [rules of the board](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=864546) and of [this forum specifically.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=818217) Wow, a lot of rules here…is this a yeshiva??? 😉 Seriously, thanks for cutting me slack. Though I don’t see how I was “discussing” my ignore list – simply noted that I use it. > [@Bone](#): > > Do not personalize your arguments in this fashion. If you feel you must, you can do so to your heart’s content in the [BBQ Pit Forum.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?f=5) > > [/moderating] When someone implies that I’m a “racist,” that person is “playing the SJW”…doesn’t sound “personal” to me. But sure, I agree that that’s not a conversation worth having here – hence the ignore list reference you’d sanctioned. Anyway, I’ll be more focused from now on. Thanks for the continued patience! ---
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/237 "2019-02-25T19:45:29Z")
> [@DavidChou](#): > > Um, how would one compare policies, then??? BTW, I’m serious (I’m always serious, I hope you’ve noticed, even if I laugh about something) – I’m not just protesting forum policy…how would I be able to ask one candidate’s supporters why they don’t think another candidate’s policies actually better accomplishes the supporters’goals?? My motivation is to test my own commitment to Andrew Yang’s platform in the manner of the Socratic Method. Being that precisely because I support Andrew’s views, I wouldn’t know where they’re vulnerable or outright unworkable – I mean, by definition I’ve given my support precisely because I think the signature policies are best and actually achievable! So however _could_ one compare policies, please?? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/238 "2019-02-25T19:50:35Z")
> [@DavidChou](#): > > BTW, I’m serious (I’m always serious, I hope you’ve noticed, even if I laugh about something) – I’m not just protesting forum policy…how would I be able to ask one candidate’s supporters why they don’t think another candidate’s policies actually better accomplishes the supporters’goals?? > > My motivation is to test my own commitment to Andrew Yang’s platform in the manner of the Socratic Method. Being that precisely because I support Andrew’s views, I wouldn’t know where they’re vulnerable or outright unworkable – I mean, by definition I’ve given my support precisely because I think the signature policies are best and actually achievable! > > So however _could_ one compare policies, please?? I’m not a mod, but I would expect you could start a thread titled “Sanders vs Yang policy positions compare and contrast”, or something like that, without any sanction from the mods. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/239 "2019-02-25T20:02:19Z")
> [@DavidChou](#): > > BTW, I’m serious (I’m always serious, I hope you’ve noticed, even if I laugh about something) – I’m not just protesting forum policy…how would I be able to ask one candidate’s supporters why they don’t think another candidate’s policies actually better accomplishes the supporters’goals?? > > My motivation is to test my own commitment to Andrew Yang’s platform in the manner of the Socratic Method. Being that precisely because I support Andrew’s views, I wouldn’t know where they’re vulnerable or outright unworkable – I mean, by definition I’ve given my support precisely because I think the signature policies are best and actually achievable! > > So however _could_ one compare policies, please?? Discussion about moderation [belongs in ATMB.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?f=2) Feel free to start a thread there if you’d like to discuss further. No more in this thread. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![DavidChou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@DavidChou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidChou)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/240 "2019-02-25T20:04:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not a mod, but I would expect you could start a thread titled “Sanders vs Yang policy positions compare and contrast”, or something like that, without any sanction from the mods. Hmm, that’s a good idea!! I gotta be more “entrepreneurial-minded”…damn this socialism! 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821.md?page=13)