# Bernie Sanders makes it official. How far will he go in 2020? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 19, 2019, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821 "2019-02-19T13:11:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/161 "2019-02-22T03:42:23Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > There are some scientists who deny that humans have anything to do with climate change. There are some doctors who argue against vaccinations. They are both still anti-science positions. … IF one is interested in science then one is interested in data. Here’s some: the [2015 Pew survey](http://www.pewresearch.org/science/2015/07/23/an-elaboration-of-aaas-scientists-views/) of members of U.S. members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the world’s largest multidisciplinary scientific professional society. No question that there is near unanimity among scientists on the issues of human impact on climate change and on the need to require vaccines like the MMR. (Even more regarding the safety of GMO foods and on evolution of course.) Not so much so on building more nuclear power plants. Oh more in favor than the general public is, but more than a third are not. To characterize more than a third of AAAS members as anti-science is silly. This is an area of reasoned disagreement among large segments of the scientific community. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/162 "2019-02-22T05:08:02Z")
Bernie Sanders has run against Vermont Democrats no less than 14 times over the course of his career, and has long insisted - sometimes even in insulting terms - that he is not and never could be a Democrat. I dunno, I just think it would be nice if a person seeking a party’s nomination for the Presidency would, you know, actually be a _member_ of that party. And remain one when he wasn’t running for President. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/163 "2019-02-22T13:45:54Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > never heard that anti-nuclear power is anti-science. Where does that idea come from? As I understand it from (very lefty, green) folks who understand the ins and outs of it better than I do, it’s unlikely that we’ll become carbon-free in a reasonable time frame unless nuclear is part of the mix. Unless battery technology comes a long way, you’ve got to have _some_ residual standard power-plant electricity generation for when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing. And the current options are fossil fuels or nukes. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/164 "2019-02-22T14:10:22Z")
Battery technology IS coming a long way, though. It’s just a matter of timescale and commitment. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/165 "2019-02-22T14:13:59Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I dunno, I just think it would be nice if a person seeking a party’s nomination for the Presidency would, you know, actually be a _member_ of that party. He ain’t gonna sign, or he’d have done it by now, and the rule wouldn’t even have been considered. He’ll never be able to force himself even to \*say \*he supports the party whose acclamation he demands, just like he’s never been able to force himself to try to get anything substantial actually accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/166 "2019-02-22T14:52:30Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Yes, of course. The fact that wages per man-hour haven’t gone up in nearly forty years while the cost of living has virtually tripled is completely incidental. Or is this one of those not-a-bug-a-feature things? It’s one of those not-true-it’s-false things. Unless you have a cite that average hourly wages in the US in constant dollars has not increased in forty years. Which you don’t. > [@](#): > > Given that people of similar outlook to you said this in the early nineties in re the Clinton tax increases, you’ll forgive me if I file this somewhere between the moon-landing hoaxes and the Flat Earth Society’s Welcome brochure. Really? Then by all means provide a cite from the early 90s where people with similar outlook to me said that the Clinton tax increases would [ul][li]depress the economy. My cite is that Sanders’ plan would reduce GDP by 9.5% in the long term. Let’s see your cite that this was claimed for the Clinton tax increases.[/ul][/li][ul][li] kill millions of jobs My cite says 6 million jobs. Let’s see your cite for the Clinton tax increases killing anything like that number.[/ul][/li][ul][li] reduce income at all levels. My cite says [/li][quote] The bottom 50 percent of taxpayers would see their after-tax incomes decrease by at least 4.87 percent. The top 50 percent of taxpayers would see their after-tax incomes decrease by at least 8.57 percent. Finally, the top 1 percent of taxpayers would see their after-tax incomes fall by 17.91 percent. [/quote] Let’s see your cite claiming that the Clinton tax increases would reduce after tax income for the bottom 50% by that much.[/ul] [ul][li]and further bloat the national debt. Again, let’s see your cite that the Clinton tax increases would increase the national debt.[/ul]Or you can try to hand-wave and obfuscate. [/li] Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/167 "2019-02-22T16:03:07Z")
More polling data… [OH Predictive Insights](https://ohpredictive.com/promotional-content/2020-presidential-race-insights/) poll of likely voters in Arizona: Arizona: Trump vs. Biden OH Predictive Insights Trump 46, Biden 46 Tie Arizona: Trump vs. Harris OH Predictive Insights Trump 49, Harris 40 Trump +9 Arizona: Trump vs. Warren OH Predictive Insights Trump 49, Warren 38 Trump +11 Arizona: Trump vs. Sanders OH Predictive Insights Trump 49, Sanders 37 Trump +12 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/168 "2019-02-22T16:11:13Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > More polling data… > > [OH Predictive Insights](https://ohpredictive.com/promotional-content/2020-presidential-race-insights/) poll of likely voters in Arizona: > > Arizona: Trump vs. Biden OH Predictive Insights Trump 46, Biden 46 Tie > Arizona: Trump vs. Harris OH Predictive Insights Trump 49, Harris 40 Trump +9 > Arizona: Trump vs. Warren OH Predictive Insights Trump 49, Warren 38 Trump +11 > Arizona: Trump vs. Sanders OH Predictive Insights Trump 49, Sanders 37 Trump +12 This seems to support a growing body of evidence that suggests moderate conservatives are bailing on Trump and Republicans. Candidates like Joe Biden, Sherrod Brown, Amy Klobuchar would seem to have positions that would make them competitive with centrists on the right and left, but would they motivate the progressives who are increasingly taking over the Democratic party? And can they even compete in the party to begin with? Like it or not, real Democrat or not, today’s Democratic party is a welcoming environment for Sanders, and it’s a much more comfortable arena for him to play in this time around. I don’t doubt for a moment he can compete in the primaries; it’s after the primaries that worries me. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/169 "2019-02-22T17:25:58Z")
Brown may be pragmatic but he is not a centrist. His [OnTheIssues score](http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/sherrod_brown.htm) (see diagram near bottom) states "Sherrod Brown is a Hard-Core Liberal. " Same as Sanders. The slight difference between their maps is that Sanders slightly leans to the libertarian direction and Brown to the populist. FWIW Mother Jones describes Brown as [Sanders’ biggest threat](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/01/sherrod-brown-profile-democrat-president-ohio-unions-working-class-harrington/). > [@](#): > > if Brown decides to jump into the race, catch-up may not be such a difficult game for him to play—and not only because he can connect with the white working-class voters that pundits worry have been lost to Republicans. He has a track record in lanes that are in vogue with Democratic voters, should the 2018 midterms be any indication, such as a long-standing obsession with economic inequality and a track record of advancing civil rights (though he hasn’t signed onto some initiatives favored by his party’s leftist wing, including the Green New Deal or the pledge to reject campaign contributions from fossil fuel interests). > > In many respects, the 66-year-old Ohio native comes from a similar political line as Sen. Bernie Sanders—he’s just more likely to talk about how unions benefit factory floor workers than to point to Scandinavian countries’ socialist policies. Meanwhile, his hardline economic positions that favor the working class put him in close company with Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren. It’s the party’s progressive wing, who four years ago obsessed over drafting Warren into the race before putting their support behind Sanders, that’s giving Brown a hard look. > > “Progressives are looking for two things: someone who can propose and make real a bold, progressive, racially inclusive vision of a country that works for everyone, and the second is someone who can defeat Trump,” says Ben Wikler, Washington director for MoveOn. “Sherrod Brown’s track record in Ohio suggests that he has ideas about where those two things can intersect.” Beyond Brown though the problem for Sanders includes that his “lane” is crowded now, and some of the others appeal to other lanes as well. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/170 "2019-02-22T18:05:47Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He ain’t gonna sign, or he’d have done it by now, and the rule wouldn’t even have been considered. He’ll never be able to force himself even to \*say \*he supports the party whose acclamation he demands, just like he’s never been able to force himself to try to get anything substantial actually accomplished. Once again you repeat a claim that, if you were reading the thread carefully, you would know is false. He has claimed to be a Democrat. If you have a problem with the fact that he hasn’t _consistently_ done so, fine. But you can’t truthfully claim that he _hasn’t_ done so. Just for my own amusement: In this fantasy world of yours where the DNC is going to prevent Sanders from running as a Democrat, exactly when do you suppose they’re planning to tell him? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/171 "2019-02-22T19:20:46Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > …He has claimed to be a Democrat… His official Senate website still describes him as an Independent: [https://www.sanders.senate.gov/](https://www.sanders.senate.gov/) ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/172 "2019-02-22T20:22:50Z")
I like Sanders, but I don’t think there’s any way he gets the nomination in 2020, and I’m not really sure what he’s running for now. His 2016 campaign seems to have accomplished it’s goal of shoving the Democratic party to the left, and there are a lot more options that Hillary “It’s her turn” Clinton making their way into the field for 2020, so I think his weaknesses will really come out during hard campaigning. Some of the stuff people want to pin on him won’t work - shouting ‘socialist!’ is not the extreme negative it once was, and associating him with the USSR is not likely to sway anyone when the alternative is almost-KGB-agent Trump, but I think there’s plenty of negatives out there that will bury him by the time primaries come up, much less the election. Not releasing his tax returns when he didn’t get the nomination is ‘eh’, but the fact that he still hasn’t released them means there’s likely to be a big bomb waiting there for one of the other nominees or the republicans to toss at him. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/173 "2019-02-22T21:47:48Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Plenty of creationists and climate change deniers are pro vaccination. Does that make them pro-science, too? Yeah, partly. The really anti-science ones are pretty scary even to other fundies. But since you brought up pro-lifers, you seem to use “anti-science” the way the American Life League’s Judie Brown uses “anti-life.” We’ve kind of been over this before. If Bernie refuses to re-certify any existing nuclear power plants, I agree that that is bad & stupid. As far as building new ones, I still think that is a lot harder now, post-Fukushima. But someone who is opposed to merely _labelling_ GMO’s is not a credible debater on who is “anti-science.” I think you mean, “opposed to massive science-fiction technological reinvention of the world,” in which case, _no, that’s not what science is for._ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/174 "2019-02-23T01:32:55Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Once again you repeat a claim that, if you were reading the thread carefully, you would know is false. He has claimed to be a Democrat. :rolleyes: Once again, (A) Why the hell do you think the DNC implemented the rule, and (B) Has he or has he not complied with it, and if not, will he? You know the answers, but it would be quite an improvement to see you say so. Meanwhile, your repeated claims of lying have been quite tiresome for some time now. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/175 "2019-02-23T01:44:20Z")
They implemented the rule because a certain crybaby contingent thinks taking loyalty oaths is an important part of being a leader. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/176 "2019-02-23T06:17:15Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > If one thinks there’s enough difference between GMO and non-GMO foods that they need to be labeled then they are anti-science. I can remember when scientists thought margarine was healthier than butter because less saturated fat. Oops, turns out partially hydrogenated oil was a nifty invention for the sake of shelf life, but is actually much worse for your cardiovascular health than the natural saturated fats in butter. Why do you think science now is at a stage when it can be 100% certain that the foods it creates, that never existed in nature before, are just as safe as the ones we’ve been evolving with for millennia? I’m supposed to just accept that today’s scientists are completely different on that account than the ones from when I was a kid? > [@Shodan](#): > > It would be nice if we could just raise taxes on somebody else and all our problems go away, but TANSTAAFL. It doesn’t seem like you thought this through. Remember when Romney got in trouble for talking about the 47% who don’t pay federal income taxes? Aren’t they getting something of a free lunch when they benefit from programs funded by federal income taxes? (I’m not talking about the specific programs funded by FICA payroll taxes, that such people do pay.) There IS such a thing as a free lunch. One can certainly question what percentage of the population can get their lunch for free, and how lavish the lunch can be, but the hard and fast TANSTAAFL you threw out there does not apply. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Bernie has benefited from being in a cocoon. During the primaries the Republicans clearly wanted him to remain viable to hurt Hillary. Hillary didn’t want to go after him because she didn’t want to alienate her voters. > > I can assure you whatever polls you have about someone who has never been a party’s nominee for President, they just aren’t relevant because a lot of stuff is going to be done to Bernie that has never been done before if he’s nominated. Even aside from Bernie’s many vulnerabilities, the simple fact is many of his beliefs are well out of the mainstream—and something like 60% of Americans view socialism unfavorably. Precisely correct. “Socialist” is the most toxic label for politicians Gallup tested, beating “atheist” and “Muslim” by double digits: [https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx) Of course, the Bernheads always respond to the point about potential GOP attack ads with “who cares, they will attack any Democratic nominee”. :smack: Yes, of course: but the ads against a Democrat who is not a target-rich environment aren’t nearly as likely to actually, you know, WORK. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’re a smart person. How can you admit the above and still assert that you’d work hard to elect Trump over Sanders? Cosigned. > [@foolsguinea](#): > > And why is it so important that _no one even know_ if they’re eating GMO’s? What are you afraid of? Good question. > [@Alessan](#): > > RE: Israel - I think we should put a pin in the subject until the elections here next month. For the past decade, attitudes towards Israel, in American and elsewhere, have been conflated with attitudes toward Bibi Netanyahu and the Likud. If (God willing!) they lose the election, the entire array of support for and opposition to Israel will be rearranged - at which point we’ll see where each candidate (Dem and Rep) stands. I hadn’t known the Likud coalition was finally in jeopardy of losing again. That’s great news if it pans out. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/177 "2019-02-23T09:02:07Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I > I hadn’t known the Likud coalition was finally in jeopardy of losing again. That’s great news if it pans out. Things have been pretty crazy here these last few weeks. A month ago, people were griping about how the election results were a foregone conclusion, and that at most they’d end up rearranging a few deck chairs. Now, though, thanks to a new centrist alliance, it looks like there’s a real chance of a change in power. It’s been wild, and it isn’t close to being over yet. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/178 "2019-02-23T09:04:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Bernie Sanders has run against Vermont Democrats no less than 14 times over the course of his career, and has long insisted - sometimes even in insulting terms - that he is not and never could be a Democrat. > > I dunno, I just think it would be nice if a person seeking a party’s nomination for the Presidency would, you know, actually be a _member_ of that party. > > And remain one when he wasn’t running for President. Admittedly, I don’t know much about this. I remember some people were trying to get Bernie Sanders to create a 3rd party. They were really mad that he didn’t. I didn’t really understand why. I did look up why he doesn’t describe himself as a Democrat and read the [piece Vox did on it](https://www.vox.com/2015/11/23/9781330/bernie-sanders-democrat), which basically says that it’s a message to his followers that he’s on the side of the working class. But having read this thread and watched what happened to Howard Schultz, wouldn’t people be more upset if Bernie Sanders ran as an Independent rather than as a Democrat? In other news, I’m happy to see the campaign team that Bernie Sanders has put together. He has Nina Turner, Ro Khanna, Ben Cohen and Carmen Yulin Cruz on his team. I really like Ro Khanna, so I’m happy to see him on the team. > [@](#): > > Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) tapped Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), San Juan, Puerto Rico Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz, former Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner (D) and Ben Cohen, a co-founder of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream, to serve as co-chairs of his presidential campaign. Bernie Sanders also hired Faiz Shakir as campaign manager and Analilia Mejia as national political director and Sarah Badawi as deputy political director. > [@](#): > > Sanders had hired Faiz Shakir, the national political director of the American Civil Liberties Union, for the top post. Shakir is likely to be the first Muslim American to head a major presidential campaign. > > The campaign has also retained Analilia Mejia, the state director of New Jersey Working Families, as its national political director, and Sarah Badawi, the government affairs director of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, as its deputy political director. [HuffPost](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-presidential-campaign-co-chairs-2020-carmen-cruz-ro-khanna_n_5c6efd30e4b0e37a1ed619ae) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/179 "2019-02-23T14:42:56Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > They implemented the rule because a certain crybaby contingent thinks taking loyalty oaths is an important part of being a leader. You’re not entirely clear on who the “crybaby contingent” _is_, are you? Reconsider and retry. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821/180 "2019-02-23T15:19:35Z")
Exactly, it’s really hard to get out of our own bubbles at time. The word ‘socialist’ doesn’t always have to refer to the old USSR or the mess in Venezuela currently. It certainly does have a connotation with spoiled white millennials who have liberal arts degrees from private schools, $75K in student debt and they want ‘free stuff.’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-makes-it-official-how-far-will-he-go-in-2020/829821.md?page=10)