# Bernie Sanders to give his own State of the Union response **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 29, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758 "2018-01-29T20:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/61 "2018-01-30T22:16:20Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > This is either poorly-informed or disingenuous. Sanders attacked Clinton relentlessly, sometimes with remarks that referred to her without naming her, such as: Oh, Christ, that’s what you mean? That’s incredibly small potatoes, and is entirely in keeping with his views, which include a belief that the Democratic party is far too cozy with major corporate interests. Attacking those ties is 100% legitimate. I thought you meant something personal. > [@](#): > > I realize that those who feel guilt over their November 2016 choice (and the outcome of Trump) will never get over their need to defend Bernie Sanders and attack Hillary Clinton. Never, never, never. :rolleyes: I voted for Clinton in November and did data entry for the local Democrats in their canvasing efforts. Back off with that weak sauce, Sherrerd. > [@](#): > > But I do wish y’all would stick to the facts and refrain from making unsupportable claims (such as that ‘Bernie spent all or most of his time promoting progressive causes’). It’s such a waste of time and energy for everyone. Again, that’s ridiculous. A progressive cause is getting corporate money out of politics. Attacking a politician that takes a lot of corporate money is exactly in line with that. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/62 "2018-01-30T23:48:32Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Oh, Christ, that’s what you mean? That’s incredibly small potatoes, and is entirely in keeping with his views, which include a belief that the Democratic party is far too cozy with major corporate interests. Attacking those ties is 100% legitimate. I thought you meant something personal. Seriously? The quotations in my post, and any other relevant-period quotations from Sanders on the topic, weren’t personal attacks on Clinton? _Seriously_? Sanders relentlessly stated or implied that Clinton was incapable of behaving honorably–that if she took money from Wall Street, she would provide special treatment to Wall Street. Sanders carried water for Putin and Trump in his continual message that Clinton operated by ‘quid pro quo’----when there was no evidence for such a charge. The only way you could fail to see this is…well, I can’t see how you could fail to see this. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > A progressive cause is getting corporate money out of politics. Attacking a politician that takes a lot of corporate money is exactly in line with that. Implying that such a politician is necessarily dirty and corrupt, as Sanders did with Clinton—though not noticeably with Obama, despite Obama’s acceptance of vast sums from Wall Street—is not in line with anything I’d identify as progressive. Or principled, or decent. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/63 "2018-01-31T00:06:22Z")
> [@purplehearingaid](#): > > Does trump’ state of confusion’ really have to be on so many channels Dammit, somebody should have convinced him to put it on the RNC stream behind a paywall. That way, he could have raked in money on both ends (the pay-per-view fee and the extra donors he’d get from making the donor-names-added version the only version). ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/64 "2018-01-31T03:20:30Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Your claim–that he cost Clinton votes–is totally unfounded, and to the extent that it’s true, suggests that she couldn’t stand up under criticism of her positions. “_Totally_ unfounded.” “Extent that it’s _true_.” One of these phrases is not like the other one. Have you been taking lessons from Sean Hannity? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/65 "2018-01-31T05:21:50Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > “_Totally_ unfounded.” “Extent that it’s _true_.” One of these phrases is not like the other one. > > Have you been taking lessons from Sean Hannity? Someone trying to actually understand another person would probably interpret LHoD’s meaning as “There’s no evidence to support that assertion but even if it’s true to some extent…” But that Hannity line is great. Just like me being compared to Trump for scoffing at a Kennedy “up and comer”. Good stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/66 "2018-01-31T05:30:56Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Someone trying to actually understand another person would probably interpret LHoD’s meaning as “There’s no evidence to support that assertion but even if it’s true to some extent…” > > But that Hannity line is great. Just like me being compared to Trump for scoffing at a Kennedy “up and comer”. Good stuff. Being compared to Trump for duplicating Trump tactics. Good guess, though. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/67 "2018-01-31T05:34:25Z")
Oh, Scrappy Ace is back to prove he never loses an internet argument. You gotta admire his “little engine that could” attitude, if nothing else. And there is nothing else. There’s your Trump tactics, “bub”. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/68 "2018-01-31T07:01:17Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh, Scrappy Ace is back to prove he never loses an internet argument. You gotta admire his “little engine that could” attitude, if nothing else. And there is nothing else. > There’s your Trump tactics, “bub”. Let me fix that for you. There’s _more_ Trump tactics. Nice…a nickname, too, now. Check. I guess I should count myself lucky that I’m not ‘low energy’ or ‘crooked.’ ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/69 "2018-01-31T08:12:02Z")
Johnny and Carnalk - both of you dial it back. This is not the place to engage in petty sniping at each other. Not everything requires a response - I suggest taking the high road. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/70 "2018-01-31T12:40:36Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Someone trying to actually understand another person would probably interpret LHoD’s meaning as “There’s no evidence to support that assertion but even if it’s true to some extent…” Thanks–that is of course what I meant. I suppose there’s an epistemic conversation to be had over whether “unfounded” is truly a synonym for “unsubstantiated” or “unsupported,” but given that I’m neither 19 nor stoned, I’m not interested in having that conversation, so folks who were so baffled by my previous post may feel free to swap “unsubstantiated” in for “unfounded” and call it a day. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/71 "2018-01-31T14:30:41Z")
Even calling it “unsubstantiated” goes against common sense to the point that it’s dismissable as mere cheerleading, or perhaps sour grapes or evasiveness, take your pick. If the claim is that all of his attacks on her character, continuing long after anyone could see it wasn’t helping anyone but the Republicans, did no damage to her, that’s simply saying he completely sucked as a campaigner. But I don’t think you’re saying that, are you? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758/72 "2018-01-31T21:24:59Z")
We criticize the Trump, the Hannity’s, Ryan’s etc. for saying those things which are not true and not saying those things which are true, and there is no health in them. It behooves us to speak circumspectly, adhering to clear truths, to distinguish ourselves from the dissemblers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-sanders-to-give-his-own-state-of-the-union-response/807758.md?page=3)