# Bernie Withdraws **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 8, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349 "2020-04-08T15:27:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/201 "2020-04-09T17:29:34Z")
My wife wept a little, but agrees it was necessary. She is definitely not a Bernie Bro (or Sis) but really loves most of his policies. But we will both enthusiastically support Joe. ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/202 "2020-04-09T17:30:47Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That is what’s happening, Sanders isn’t going to seek delegates/votes anymore. This is incorrect. Bernie says he is still seeking delegates and he wants people to vote for him in the upcoming primaries. He hasn’t really dropped out, he’s still up to the same old shenanigans so he can make another run in 2024. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/203 "2020-04-09T17:34:50Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > This is incorrect. Bernie says he is still seeking delegates and he wants people to vote for him in the upcoming primaries. He hasn’t really dropped out, he’s still up to the same old shenanigans so he can make another run in 2024. As long as he shuts up about Biden and confines his attacks to Trump, it doesn’t really matter. He wants a shot at influencing the Democratic platform, which he seems to think worthwhile, so let him have it. And I’m gonna predict right here that he doesn’t run in 2024, even if Trump is reelected. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/204 "2020-04-09T17:44:48Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Talking about tax credits for health care is bad strategy. You’re all over the place here. Are you asking what I like about his campaign strategy now? I thought you were asking about what policies I like. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/205 "2020-04-09T18:12:55Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > This is incorrect. Bernie says he is still seeking delegates and he wants people to vote for him in the upcoming primaries. He hasn’t really dropped out, he’s still up to the same old shenanigans so he can make another run in 2024. Ugh, I hadn’t seen he actually said that. I mean, he was going to remain on the ballots regardless so announcing it is definitely shenanigans. But it is a little different from 2016. He’s trying to have his cake and eat it too this time. And there’s no way he’s running in 2024. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/206 "2020-04-09T18:31:03Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > My wife wept a little, but agrees it was necessary. She is definitely not a Bernie Bro (or Sis) but really loves most of his policies. But we will both enthusiastically support Joe. Why would an adult weep over a political candidate? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/207 "2020-04-09T18:32:12Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Why would an adult weep over a political candidate? 😕 Why do hyoo-mons sometimes have emotional feelings about politics? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/208 "2020-04-09T18:38:45Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Why would an adult weep over a political candidate? 😕 They have feelings? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/209 "2020-04-09T18:52:03Z")
I mean, it turns out that politics isn’t the same thing as league sports for some people. Sure, there are political hobbyists who follow politics the way someone else might follow the Miami Dolphins. For other folks, elections have real-world consequences, though; and knowing that a candidate has lost can signify that life’s gonna get worse for you and/or the people you love. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/210 "2020-04-09T18:55:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If Trump wins, he’ll probably get to replace RBG and maybe Breyer on SCOTUS. Biden would nominate decent judges, rather than corporate-friendly fanatics and shills. Bitter Bernie supporters should think mostly about the quoted point. If Donald Trump gets to replace RBG, then the Supreme Court will be happily impeding our progressive agenda for the next two decades. The good news is that recent polling suggests that Sanders supporters are less than half as likely to vote for Trump in November than they actually did in 2016. That’s reassuring but I think every vote is going to count again this year. Maybe a Beto pick for VP? Somebody to connect with the younger voters who see the Dem establishment as reasonable and nice but very very OLD. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/211 "2020-04-09T19:10:45Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Bitter Bernie supporters should think mostly about the quoted point. If Donald Trump gets to replace RBG, then the Supreme Court will be happily impeding our progressive agenda for the next two decades. > > The good news is that recent polling suggests that Sanders supporters are less than half as likely to vote for Trump in November than they actually did in 2016. That’s reassuring but I think every vote is going to count again this year. Maybe a Beto pick for VP? Somebody to connect with the younger voters who see the Dem establishment as reasonable and nice but very very OLD. Is Beto transitioning? Biden’s on record as saying he will pick a woman VP. Money is on Kamilla or Amy - though “that woman” from Michigan is getting some traction, as is Masto as a Latina. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/212 "2020-04-09T19:12:13Z")
It is believable, BTW, that Amy was promised a VP shot if she dropped out when she did - coming into the Minnesota primaries. Its also believable that Warren was told that she’d get all the backing possible for Senate Majority leader if she stepped down and Dems took the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/213 "2020-04-09T19:19:37Z")
Warren may move up a slot or two, but there’s no way a two term senator is being made the party leadership. Not remotely believable. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/214 "2020-04-09T19:23:55Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Why would an adult weep over a political candidate? 😕 Ask all the black people who cried when Lincoln was shot. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/215 "2020-04-09T19:27:48Z")
Good point. Very similar situations. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/216 "2020-04-09T19:28:08Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > …Warren seemed to be a lot of people’s second pick, but very few people’s first… She was my first choice. I question her electability, but at the end of the day, I voted my gut, and my gut said she’d be the best president of the available options. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah, Bijou, you’re here with me in North Carolina, right? We’ve been a swing state before, and we have the chance to be one again. > > Please look at this trolley hurtling toward destruction, and help me push it away from the precipice. You know as well as I do that the Green path–which is of course the best path–ain’t the path this train is going down. It’s either going on the Biden track or the Trump track. And one of those is way better than the other. > > I wish it could go on the Sanders track or the Green track, but it won’t. And I need your help pushing it on the least destructive track it might go onto, which is the Biden track. > > All hands needed here, Bijou. Put a clothespin on your nose and help me push. Yes, this, exactly this. Biden won’t put children in cages. He won’t brag about withholding medical aid from people whose governors aren’t sufficiently “grateful” to him. He won’t destroy the EPA – you want greener policies, voting Biden will help a lot more than voting Stein. Is he the best of all possible presidents? Highly unlikely. But he’s the best of the options we have. > [@Blalron](#): > > Congratulations, you’ve won. I am a Bernie Bro, and I still intend to vote for Bernie in the Pennsylvania primary in June if he’s still on the ballot as a symbolic protest vote, but in November I will bend the knee toward Joe Biden. With gritted teeth, I will reluctantly vote for the neoliberal centrist who won’t change a goddamn thing, because he’s the lesser of two evils. Bask in your victory. You’ve earned it. Thank you. I don’t care for Bernie, for a lot of reasons. And I won’t “bend the knee” to anyone, because I believe we live in a democracy, and our elected representatives are our servants, not the other way around. But I would absolutely have voted for Sanders against Trump, and I appreciate that you will vote for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/217 "2020-04-09T19:28:35Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Bitter Bernie supporters should think mostly about the quoted point. If Donald Trump gets to replace RBG, then the Supreme Court will be happily impeding our progressive agenda for the next two decades. > > The good news is that recent polling suggests that Sanders supporters are less than half as likely to vote for Trump in November than they actually did in 2016. That’s reassuring but I think every vote is going to count again this year. Maybe a Beto pick for VP? Somebody to connect with the younger voters who see the Dem establishment as reasonable and nice but very very OLD. Its not even the supreme court. The real power is in the appellate court. The district court can be overturned by the appellate court, but very few appellate court cases are taken up by the SCOTUS. That is why McConnell has prioritized appointing appellate court judges. There are 179 federal appellate court judges in the US. Trump has appointed 51 in under 4 years. By comparison, Obama appointed 55 in 8 years. Even if we get a true progressive movement in the 2030s and 2040s (which I think we will), a court stacked with far right judges will just overturn a lot of the laws passed on the state and federal level. That alone is a major incentive for progressives to support both Biden and a democratic senate. Even if you don’t agree with Biden, at least he won’t appoint far right judges who sit on the bench for 30 years. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/218 "2020-04-09T20:45:26Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > Huh? And here I thought I’d just got done saying my widdle feelings weren’t hurt and I would be voting for Joe. Guess I need to work on my writing. I didn’t mean you specifically, I meant the people you think are going to be scared away from voting for Biden because people are mean to them. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/219 "2020-04-09T21:04:18Z")
Count me as one of the Sanders supporters who will now reluctantly go to Biden. I do so with the full knowledge that he will not accomplish a single part of his agenda, because doing so would require a ruthlessly efficient steamroll-the-opposition mentality that Biden is incapable of possessing. _Maybe_ he does something on healthcare _if_ SCOTUS does something insane this fall, but beyond that a Biden presidency will result in no leftwing policies altogether. So Biden will talk and talk and TALK about how supposedly wonderful his public option healthcare plan is, but because he will never lift a finger to pass it it will never come to pass and Democratic voters will be understandably demoralized and the party will be annihilated in 2022. Them’s the breaks, folks. Congrats to the Biden people, though, you’ve gotten your completely inconsequential and inevitably unsuccessful man as the nominee. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/220 "2020-04-09T21:14:28Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > It is believable, BTW, that Amy was promised a VP shot if she dropped out when she did - coming into the Minnesota primaries. Its also believable that Warren was told that she’d get all the backing possible for Senate Majority leader if she stepped down and Dems took the Senate. You think Chuck Schumer is going to stand aside for Liz Warren? I don’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349.md?page=12)