# Bernie Withdraws **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 8, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349 "2020-04-08T15:27:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/81 "2020-04-08T19:14:30Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > This is the first time I can vote Green and will consider that. And spare me “you are only helping Trump” by voting green. Nope, since that is a fact. And your snide little attacks on Biden only help trump too. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/82 "2020-04-08T19:18:51Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > One of the most painful things I’ve heard from Biden from a left perspective is that he would veto a Medicare-for-all bill _even if Congress passed it, and it arrived at his desk._☹ . . ._because of the cost._ He has said repeatedly that the estimated cost of $20-30 _trillion_ dollars would be fiscally irresponsible and financially catastrophic, and that the time it would take to implement such a system would make people wait for years instead of helping them NOW by improving and modifying a system _already in place_. That’s practicality speaking, not pie-in-the-sky schemes. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/83 "2020-04-08T19:24:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Why does it matter what he tells the “Bernie Bros”? They won’t listen to him, any more than they’ve ever listened to him. They’ll do whatever their boss Putin tells them. > > But yes, of course he’ll tell his actual supporters to vote for the Democratic nominee, just like he did last time. He did. But he wouldn’t ask his supporters to stop the attacks on Clinton. I know several Bernie-bros, and no, they are not directly pawns of Putin. Yes, they gleefully passed on whatever fake news the Kremlin put out attacking Hillary and now Biden, but they are honest supported of Bernie. They have even said they will vote for Biden. Still, they couldn’t stop attacking Biden or Hillary, even after it was obvious those two had won. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/84 "2020-04-08T19:25:07Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > No they don’t. They are general election polls between Trump and Biden. OK ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/85 "2020-04-08T19:25:19Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > . . ._because of the cost._ He has said repeatedly that the estimated cost of $20-30 _trillion_ dollars would be fiscally irresponsible and financially catastrophic, and that the time it would take to implement such a system would make people wait for years instead of helping them NOW by improving and modifying a system _already in place_. That’s practicality speaking, not pie-in-the-sky schemes. It’s highly misleading to trot out this 30 trillion dollars figure for M4A without comparing it to the cost of the status quo. Medicare for All raises taxes, but it saves money overall because it eliminates premiums. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/86 "2020-04-08T19:27:04Z")
[He’s still asking supporters to give him as many delegates as possible in the remaining primaries](https://www.npr.org/2020/04/08/814291136/bernie-sanders-is-suspending-his-presidential-campaign). (see just past minute 34 in the video, as well as a comment though not a quote in the written news story.) So I don’t suppose we’re entirely done with hearing people arguing about votes for Sanders. Other than that – very relieved to see this. Biden wasn’t my candidate this time around – the closest I had to a favored candidate in this race was Warren, and I originally hoped that somebody better than Warren would surface. But Biden is the candidate we’ve got; and he’s massively better than Trump. And there is no third-party candidate with a hope in hell of beating Trump; that’s the choice we’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/87 "2020-04-08T19:30:18Z")
I think it’s important not to take this s too badly and end up infighting. The left has to decide how to respond now their compromise candidate has dropped out. A first step would be to ensure the right understands they will need to appeal to all voters now. Maybe Bernie as VP or at least start supporting government healthcare for all Americans. Something to help Biden stand out from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/88 "2020-04-08T19:35:46Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It’s highly misleading to trot out this 30 trillion dollars figure for M4A without comparing it to the cost of the status quo. Medicare for All raises taxes, but it saves money overall because it eliminates premiums. It could yes, by re-jiggering the economy in a massive way. It wouldn’t be easy. He also didnt say he would veto M4A, read his actual words: > **[Biden suggests he would veto 'Medicare for All' over its price tag](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/biden-says-he-wouldd-veto-medicare-for-all-as-coronavirus-focuses-attention-on-health.html)** > > "I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now," Biden said. \* “I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now,” Biden responded. “If they got that through in by some miracle or there’s an epiphany that occurred and some miracle occurred that said, ‘OK, it’s passed,’ then you got to look at the cost.” Biden added: “I want to know, how did they find $35 trillion? What is that doing? Is it going to significantly raise taxes on the middle class, which it will? What’s going to happen?”\* \*“Our opponents do not speak for us and should never be allowed by the press to put words in the Vice President’s mouth. He did not say ‘veto,’” Bates said. “He made clear that his urgent priority is getting to universal coverage as quickly as possible and he explained why he firmly believes our approach should be to build on the profound benefits of the Affordable Care Act with a Medicare-like public option.” \* So, Biden didnt say he would Veto M4A **unless** it\* "delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now,”\*. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/89 "2020-04-08T19:36:32Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It’s highly misleading to trot out this 30 trillion dollars figure for M4A without comparing it to the cost of the status quo. Medicare for All raises taxes, but it saves money overall because it eliminates premiums. Doing nothing and keeping the current system will cost 50 trillion in health care costs over the next decade. Medicare for all will cost 30 trillion. We’re going to end up paying tens of trillions of dollars no matter what we do. At least with medicare for all we save 20 trillion that we can use to pay down the debt, fund education, fund renewables, etc. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/90 "2020-04-08T19:37:34Z")
I just hope Biden makes a good decision WRT his Veep candidate. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/91 "2020-04-08T19:39:29Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > I’m starting to think you’re a Trump supporter because your posts seemed to be designed to do only one thing. Get anyone who supported Bernie to not vote, vote 3rd party, or even vote for Trump. > > Unfortunately for you it’s not going to work on me, because I still hate Trump more and will be voting for Joe. You either think its important to stop Trump from another four years and the GOP from packing the supreme court for our entire lifetimes or you don’t, if someone hurting your widdle feelings plays any part at all in this decision you were a lost cause to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/92 "2020-04-08T19:47:30Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > I don’t think it was obnoxious No-one cares what you think. It was obnoxious. I doubt you’ll ever understand why, but that doesn’t matter. Nothing hinges on your understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/93 "2020-04-08T19:48:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > You either think its important to stop Trump from another four years and the GOP from packing the supreme court for our entire lifetimes or you don’t, if someone hurting your widdle feelings plays any part at all in this decision you were a lost cause to begin with. Huh? And here I thought I’d just got done saying my widdle feelings weren’t hurt and I would be voting for Joe. Guess I need to work on my writing. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/94 "2020-04-08T19:59:37Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I just hope Biden makes a good decision WRT his Veep candidate. I’m hearing that he is strongly leaning towards… Hillary ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/95 "2020-04-08T20:00:26Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > I’m starting to think you’re a Trump supporter because your posts seemed to be designed to do only one thing. Get anyone who supported Bernie to not vote, vote 3rd party, or even vote for Trump. > > Unfortunately for you it’s not going to work on me, because I still hate Trump more and will be voting for Joe. That’s funny. Worked my ass off for Pete, voted Joe in Illinois primary and would have voted for Shitbag Sanders had he gotten the nomination ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/96 "2020-04-08T20:04:17Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > I’m hearing that he is strongly leaning towards… > > Hillary This is you parodying Trump, right? Because otherwise it’s just idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/97 "2020-04-08T20:06:26Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > I’m hearing that he is strongly leaning towards… > > Hillary No, that’s not true. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/98 "2020-04-08T20:07:39Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Congratulations, you’ve won. I am a Bernie Bro, and I still intend to vote for Bernie in the Pennsylvania primary in June if he’s still on the ballot as a symbolic protest vote, but in November I will bend the knee toward Joe Biden. With gritted teeth, I will reluctantly vote for the neoliberal centrist who won’t change a goddamn thing, because he’s the lesser of two evils. Bask in your victory. You’ve earned it. (Emphasis Mine) The kids in cages appreciate your sacrifice. I mean, have you even paid attention to the shit that went down during the Trump presidency? Even a little? ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/99 "2020-04-08T20:08:23Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > That’s funny. Worked my ass off for Pete, voted Joe in Illinois primary and would have voted for Shitbag Sanders had he gotten the nomination And yet you seem determined to alienate Bernie supporters. That can do nothing but hurt Biden and help Trump. Does your hatred of “Shitbag Sanders” outweigh your desire to see Trump gone? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/100 "2020-04-08T20:12:29Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > One of the most painful things I’ve heard from Biden from a left perspective is that he would veto a Medicare-for-all bill _even if Congress passed it, and it arrived at his desk._☹ Yeah, how about the full quote: > [@](#): > > “I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now,” Biden said. > > “If they got that through by some miracle, there was an epiphany that occurred, and some miracle occurred that said okay, it passed, then you got to look at the costs. I want to know, how do they find the $35 trillion? What is that doing? Is it going to significantly raise taxes on the middle class, which it will. What’s going to happen?” > > [Politifact](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/10/facebook-posts/when-biden-was-asked-if-he-would-veto-medicare-all/) He wants to ensure nobody is denied healthcare while fighting for something which will never pass anyway, and he wants to be able to pay for it. Meet those conditions and he will sign it. I don’t care if you don’t believe me (or him) it won’t happen so it’s a bullshit talking point with no basis in reality. But if you’re gonna use bullshit talking point hypotheticals, at least use the entire quote. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349.md?page=6)