# Bernie's Legacy **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 7, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749 "2016-06-07T16:14:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/41 "2016-06-09T21:17:43Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > I have one thing to say in response: SCOTUS. Yeah, that would be a disaster, IMHO, though just because Trump nominates someone doesn’t mean they would automatically get in. Does either party have a majority enough to push though a candidate that would be completely opposed by the other? I don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/42 "2016-06-09T21:22:21Z")
There might have to be a SCOTUS Death Pool. Bonus points for picking the last one to remain. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/43 "2016-06-09T21:36:24Z")
The Notorious RBG could outlive Stonehenge with sheer will-power. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/44 "2016-06-09T22:17:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The Notorious RBG could outlive Stonehenge with sheer will-power. That is an awesome post. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/45 "2016-06-10T01:28:12Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > yes, Bernie is a self-hater; he pretends to be from “Polish immigrants” even tho in Poland and much of Europe, being Jewish is considered a different ethnicity than Polish in Poland, Russian in Russia, etc. as Tatar and Chechen aren’t considered to be ethnically Russian even tho they’re physically in Russia. Are you at all familiar with the difference between ethnicity and nationality? > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > He tries to pal around with the Pope to make everyone think he’s “not really Jewish.” He hides from being Jews and demeans real Jewry; He’s a self-hater. [You know who else pals around with the Pope?](http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.561357) > [@Haaretz](#): > > Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with Pope Francis in the Vatican on Monday as part of his visit to Rome. > Netanyahu, who was accompanied by his wife Sara, gifted the pope a book about the Spanish inquisition written by his father Benzion Netanyahu, a prominent historian. It bore the inscription: “To His Holiness Pope Francis, great guardian of our common heritage.” Has to be exhausting to be this consistently wrong, eh DM? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/46 "2016-06-10T09:34:09Z")
[quote=“foolsguinea, post:27, topic:756749”] [li]good government voters not wanting to vote for someone with Hillary’s record of dubious conflicts of interest and shady deals;[/li][/quote] i.e. People who either don’t understand just how fucked Trump is in terms of “Shady deals” or who just straight-up should never vote in any election ever because they’ve bought wholesale into the Nirvana Fallacy. [QUOTE] [li]anti-regime-change voters who want someone who didn’t push for the Second Gulf War;[/li][/QUOTE] Someone who didn’t push for the second Gulf War… You mean like [Hillary Clinton](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html)? And [not Donald Trump](https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/in-2002-donald-trump-said-he-supported-invading-iraq-on-the)? [QUOTE] [li]the younger online generation who realize that they’re getting a raw deal compared to people in other First World nations;[/li][/QUOTE] And therefore are not standing up for the candidate most likely to push them in that direction. Huh. Makes sense. [QUOTE] [li]ideological progressives who want a politician whose progressivism isn’t just campaign lies;[/li][/QUOTE] And well-thought-out policy proposals, and an express interest in furthering the agenda of her well-regarded predecessor, and showing no indication that she’s going to make a major about-face after the primaries. Not sure why one would simply assume Clinton’s progressivism is “just campaign lies”. [QUOTE] [li]environmentalists upset about Keystone XL and fracking (Bernie was the only anti-fracking candidate);[/li][/QUOTE] Oh give me a fucking break. This is the point where this list goes from the silly to the outright absurd. We have two candidates left. One of them explicitly advocates fracking. One of them supports [a series of stringent regulations on fracking](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/13/bernie-s/does-hillary-clinton-support-fracking/), but not an outright ban. This should be the easiest fucking choice in the world, right? Even before we consider that Trump believes that global warming is a conspiracy from China and would tear up the Paris Accords (and clearly doesn’t even understand them, or is lying about them). There is no fucking excuse. There just isn’t. Is fracking your #1, big-ticket bugbear, that drowns out everything else? Then if you aren’t voting Clinton, you’re shooting yourself in the foot. You’re essentially saying, “Well, I get a lot of what I want with you, and the other guy is giving me absolutely nothing and actively wants to make my life worse, but because you’re not the perfect candidate we’re dreaming of, I can’t be bothered to help you. Sorry!” That’s incredibly short-sighted and stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/47 "2016-06-10T14:33:12Z")
This seems a good time to bring this up: [Leftists for Trump: What Is to Be Done About These Insufferable Nihilists?](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/leftists_for_trump_what_is_to_be_done_about_these_insufferable_nihilists.html) > [@](#): > > I’m not interested in berating people who feel this way into changing their votes. Clinton can win without mobilizing the armed anarchist listeners of Democracy Now! People who believe that it would be “clarifying” if the “republic degenerates into tyranny,” as Ketcham does, probably should pull the lever for Trump; they are his natural constituency. I know these cosplay revolutionaries, to paraphrase Dave Weigel, don’t represent the real left. They’re certainly not the heroic people organizing fast-food workers or agitating to head off climate cataclysm. But a softer version of Ketcham’s sentiment is out there among the Bernie-or-Bust crowd; in March, the Guardian heard from 500 Sanders supporters who were considering voting for Trump over Clinton. “Cosplay revolutionaries” … I like that. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/48 "2016-06-10T15:06:16Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > This seems a good time to bring this up: > > [Leftists for Trump: What Is to Be Done About These Insufferable Nihilists?](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/leftists_for_trump_what_is_to_be_done_about_these_insufferable_nihilists.html) > > “Cosplay revolutionaries” … I like that. Also from the same article: > [@](#): > > On Wednesday, Ketcham published a piece in the Daily Beast titled “Anarchists For Trump—Let the Empire Burn.” Ketcham, who writes that he donated hundreds of dollars to Bernie Sanders, now plans to support Donald Trump in the general election. “What’s needed now in American politics is consternation, confusion, dissension, disorder, chaos—and crisis, with possible resolution—and a Trump presidency is the best chance for this true progress,” he writes. “This is a politics of arson. I’d rather see the empire burn to the ground under Trump, opening up at least the possibility of radical change, than cruise on autopilot under Clinton.” This is why responsible grown-ups don’t let children play with matches. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/49 "2016-06-10T15:36:55Z")
It’s as if people think the world really is a video game, and that the hilarity of starting your Rollercoaster Tycoon ride after deleting a section of track and watching the cars carrying pixel people fly into space would be even funnier if they were real people. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/50 "2016-06-10T16:23:27Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Also from the same article: > > This is why responsible grown-ups don’t let children play with matches. Still, we should all be prepared for the possibility that Trump might actually win, and that Ketcham might be right about the consequences – “consternation, confusion, dissension, disorder, chaos—and crisis”. And I note he ranks the chances of “resolution” as no more than “possible.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/51 "2016-06-10T16:48:27Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Still, we should all be prepared for the possibility that Trump might actually win, and that Ketcham might be right about the consequences – “consternation, confusion, dissension, disorder, chaos—and crisis”. And I note he ranks the chances of “resolution” as no more than “possible.” [Obligatory Charlton Heston](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5R_pS0h5Qk). ---
**Author:** ![Debillw3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Debillw3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debillw3)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749/52 "2016-07-26T07:46:22Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > When was the last time a nomination runner-up had a “legacy”? (No picking someone who was runnerup once and later actually got a nomination, like Reagan.) I know this is an older thread, but I couldn’t help but answer. It depends on how you define “legacy”, as well as how you define “runner-up”. For this post, I’m going to take the latter to mean “announced their candidacy for the nomination and didn’t win it”. Joe Biden & Hillary Clinton both ran for the Democratic Party nomination for POTUS in '08 and lost. Hillary (even if we ignore her going on to win the nomination as you requested) went on to serve as the Secretary of State, probably the most powerful Secretary position in the cabinet. Joe went on to serve as Vice President. A lot of cabinet level positions are filled by people who once ran for (and lost) their party’s nomination for POTUS. Whether that qualifies as a “legacy” or not is something that’s more in eye of the beholder, but the people who lose the nomination don’t necessarily fade into oblivion from that point on. As an aside, there are also people who, after losing their party’s nomination, go back to doing what they were doing originally and build their legacy that way (completely unrelated but it still followed sequentially). The most famous example I can think of is John Glenn. As a Senator, he ran for the Democratic nomination in '84 & lost to Mondale. He then, in 1998, went on to become the oldest man to fly in space. The two were, quite obviously, unrelated, but he still had a legacy building action after losing his party’s nomination for POTUS. Same can be said for Jesse Jackson, who, if memory serves, ran a few times. Of course, your question doesn’t even specify “after”, just that the individual shared the 2 traits: “losing the party’s nomination” and “having a legacy”–which qualified John Glenn without the shuttle flight, as his legacy was built before he even threw his hat in the ring. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-legacy/756749.md?page=2)