# Bernie's Soviet "honeymoon" and trips to Nicaragua and Cuba are disqualifying. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 5, 2016, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209 "2016-02-05T06:15:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/181 "2016-02-08T08:19:40Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > that young women are uninformed _about electoral politics specifically_, The study is from six years ago. It may be completely irrelevant to this campaign cycle where you have a woman and a candidate who genuinely seems to understand and care about youth issues ad the mainstream democrat candidates. Certainly from what I’ve seen on other website forums both young men and women are engaged in Bernies campaign and demonstrate more than just a superficial knowledge of the issues involved. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/182 "2016-02-08T11:31:54Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > The study is from six years ago. It may be completely irrelevant to this campaign cycle where you have a woman and a candidate who genuinely seems to understand and care about youth issues ad the mainstream democrat candidates. Not only that, but the question here has nothing to do with whether men or women are more informed about politics. It has to do with whether **political activist** men and women show a disparity. That’s such a huge difference that it’s absurd to stretch that study’s conclusions to cover the current situation. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/183 "2016-02-08T16:40:02Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Sorry, Bernie’s right on this one. Except, of course, that he’s still not talking about increasing supply–that is, investing in training of professionals to overcome the physician and nurse shortages. Is there a shortage? Serious question. I know there are all kinds of small private nursing schools around here (it’s a growth industry in Florida, a state with such a large elderly population), I was a librarian for one once and I hear them advertised on the radio all the time, so maybe that skews my perceptions. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/184 "2016-02-08T16:41:37Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Not only that, but the question here has nothing to do with whether men or women are more informed about politics. It has to do with whether **political activist** men and women show a disparity. That’s such a huge difference that it’s absurd to stretch that study’s conclusions to cover the current situation. This. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/185 "2016-02-08T16:52:43Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Is there a shortage? Serious question. I know there are all kinds of small private nursing schools around here (it’s a growth industry in Florida, a state with such a large elderly population), I was a librarian for one once and I hear them advertised on the radio all the time, so maybe that skews my perceptions. There is an overabundance of near minimum wage nurses(LPN), a big shortage in nurses with higher skills(RN and nurse practicioner). An LPN requires only a high school education plus nursing school. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/186 "2016-02-08T23:21:50Z")
Here’s a nice article. Choice quote “the White House is “horrified that Clinton is blowing up her own campaign.””. She sees no ethical dilemma in accepting millions in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs and large banks while also promising to reform them. So is that Disqualifying SlackerInc? Clear ethical conflicts of interest. If not, why not? Don’t you think people are likely slightly more mad about the 2008 financial crisis and the still ongoing effects than they are about what Sanders did in the 1970s ? > **[Hillary Wasn't 'Offered' Those Speaking Fees. She Demanded Them](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hillary-not-truthful-abou_b_9185412)** > > Hillary is veering from the truth when she suggests her $225,000 per speech fee, paid three times by Goldman Sachs, was "what they offered." It was not what they offered -- it was what Team Hillary demanded. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/187 "2016-02-08T23:23:39Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Good points as usual, **Measure.** > > No. I defended Steinem’s statement (which she has unsurprisingly been intimidated into walking back) by noting that young women are uninformed _about electoral politics specifically_, while noting that they are better educated than young men overall. And I never said anything about their judgement, which I think is \*better \*than that of young men, for sure. If Dr. Evil gave me the option to press one of two buttons, marked “MEN” and “WOMEN”, and whichever gender’s I pressed would retain the right to vote (while if I pressed neither, they both would lose it and he would become dictator), I would press the “WOMEN” button without hesitation. 🆒 This is a joke right? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/188 "2016-02-09T00:34:52Z")
Not a joke. Here’s a sample of what will come. Some of it is misinformation, but correcting the falsehoods will require implicitly acknowledging the truth of much of it: > **[Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist](https://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/)** > > As polls tighten and self-described socialist Bernie Sanders looks more like a serious contender than a novelty candidate for president, the liberal media elite have suddenly stopped calling him so… ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/189 "2016-02-09T01:25:12Z")
Ancient history. This is Clinton’s baggage, and the implications of it are still effecting every single US citizen. [http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-02/hillary-clinton-lets-big-banks-off-the-hook-for-financial-crisis](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-02/hillary-clinton-lets-big-banks-off-the-hook-for-financial-crisis) Why should the american people care more about what happened in the 1970’s than what is happening right now? Hint, they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/190 "2016-02-09T01:46:35Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > This is Clinton’s baggage, and the implications of it are still effecting every single US citizen. Pet peeve: in context here, the correct word is “affecting”, not “effecting”. If you said “…are still effecting change upon every single US citizen”, then okay. Also, please learn the difference between the 1980s (and not even the early 1980s) and the 1970s. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/191 "2016-02-09T01:50:49Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Not a joke. > > Here’s a sample of what will come. Some of it is misinformation, but correcting the falsehoods will require implicitly acknowledging the truth of much of it: > > [Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist](http://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/) > [@](#): > > While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. Which was a definitely anti-Soviet organization, which is why the Communists split off in 1919. (Also why the party ain’t around any more, in its original formation – it split up over whether to support or oppose the Vietnam War.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/192 "2016-02-09T01:54:02Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Pollster: Tell me about who makes the decisions in your home. > > Female Respondent: Well, I make the small decisions and my husband makes the big decisions > > Pollster. Ookay, could you give some examples of small decisions? > > FR: Well I choose where the kids will go to school, what car we’ll be buying, how much to set aside for the college fund, things like that? > > Pollster: Um, ok, what does your husband decide on? > > FR: Oh, what we should do about ISIS, whether to support the President’s tax plan… The way I’ve heard that joke, the punchline is _“Big decisions haven’t come up yet.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/193 "2016-02-09T01:57:58Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Not a joke. > > Here’s a sample of what will come. Some of it is misinformation, but correcting the falsehoods will require implicitly acknowledging the truth of much of it: > > [Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist](http://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/) Is Hillary somehow immune to critical editorials? “Here’s a sample of what’s to come” -\> (negative editorial) could be written for every candidate ever. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/194 "2016-02-09T01:59:14Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Also, please learn the difference between the 1980s (and not even the early 1980s) and the 1970s. You still didn’t answer the question. Why would voters care more about what Bernie said or did 30 years ago more than what Clinton said last year about the 2008 financial crisis? Which is more relevant to the interests of the average american right now? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/195 "2016-02-09T02:32:23Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Is Hillary somehow immune to critical editorials? “Here’s a sample of what’s to come” -\> (negative editorial) could be written for every candidate ever. Again, this is such a fallacy. By this logic, “every candidate ever” is equally vulnerable to being _harmed_ by critical editorials (and attack ads). Is that really what you think? I guess John Edwards blew it, then, by not running again this year! :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/196 "2016-02-09T02:53:07Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Again, this is such a fallacy. By this logic, “every candidate ever” is equally vulnerable to being _harmed_ by critical editorials (and attack ads). Is that really what you think? I guess John Edwards blew it, then, by not running again this year! :dubious: No, but I see no reason to believe that Sanders is more vulnerable than average to attack ads, or even more vulnerable than Clinton. Why shouldn’t ads focused on Clinton’s warmongering, corporate ties, Benghazi, SoS emails, same-sex marriage record, etc, etc be as or more damaging than this stuff from 30 years ago? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/197 "2016-02-09T03:05:17Z")
There are none so blind… ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/198 "2016-02-09T03:07:43Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > You still didn’t answer the question. Why would voters care more about what Bernie said or did 30 years ago more than what Clinton said last year about the 2008 financial crisis? > > Which is more relevant to the interests of the average american right now? Right now, with Russia as our rival, and as we are fighting ISIS and other Islamist terrorists? Right now even a hint that a candidate may have been sympathetic with the government of the most powerful enemy we have ever had is fatal. All it would take is one ad associating him with the people shouting “baby killer” at returning Vietnam veterans, and it’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/199 "2016-02-09T03:10:05Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > There are none so blind… Sorry to differ with your faith-based politics. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernies-soviet-honeymoon-and-trips-to-nicaragua-and-cuba-are-disqualifying/745209/200 "2016-02-09T03:13:06Z")
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