# Besides Cuisine, Military, Law Enforcement, Medicine: Which Professions Have Adversarial Training **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/besides-cuisine-military-law-enforcement-medicine-which-professions-have-adversarial-training/802087 "2017-11-19T18:51:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/besides-cuisine-military-law-enforcement-medicine-which-professions-have-adversarial-training/802087/21 "2017-11-21T13:20:22Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I’ve worked in the kitchen of a Michelin star restaurant for a couple of months. The tenor was militaristic, and, yes, yelling was common. Talking to the chefs, my impression was that this was not an anomalous experience, but I personally only have that one data point. I worked in a very nice small hotel restaurant in New Orleans for a few years in catering and bartending. The first few months were brutal. I got to learn new (let’s just say unkind) words every day and the tension was always high in the kitchen. The head chef was the biggest bitch hottie that you have ever met that lost clothes throughout the night until she was just down to a sports bra and skimpy shorts because it was literally 120F in there. She would scream obscenities at anyone that came through the door. She quit after my first year and was replaced with someone older and a little nicer but that is like comparing Jeffrey Damher to Charles Manson. I wouldn’t call any of them “militaristic” though. It was mainly just controlled chaos sprinkled with a healthy dose of sexual harassment plus plenty of drugs and alcohol. There is no way I would let my daughters work in that type of environment. I miss those days. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/besides-cuisine-military-law-enforcement-medicine-which-professions-have-adversarial-training/802087/22 "2017-11-21T15:46:04Z")
This will be a bit of a tangent to what the OP is asking, but I’m intrigued… Here’s one industry where yelling, belittling and boot-camp style adversarial training does **NOT** take place: the **airline industry**. I’m curious why that is, considering it’s a safety oriented field. Medicine certainly is too, yet the culture there is very different. I have quite a few friends who are doctor / pilots, and many of them talk about how medicine could learn something from the “best practices” in aviation. There’s a whole cottage industry attempting to bring aviation style checklist usage into medicine, but that’s peripheral to what we’re talking about here. The training I received in the airlines (and charter sector) was intense, but “gentlemanly”. Completely professional and courteous. They’d certainly wash you out if you couldn’t perform, but for weaker candidates I saw an effort to help them improve and bring them along. I’d guess that the people who oversee training decided (a while ago) that there’s no point in yelling at people if the training is already well thought-out. You only get to the simulator after passing an extensive course on aircraft systems and company procedures. In the sim they throw every emergency scenario they can at you, and it’s a well organized syllabus. I don’t see what would be gained by being abusive. If LSLGuy happens upon this thread maybe he can back me up on this, and talk about military aviation training and how it compares to the civilian side. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/besides-cuisine-military-law-enforcement-medicine-which-professions-have-adversarial-training/802087/23 "2017-11-21T16:13:57Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > You know how when you’re in the Army you’re expected to stand at attention, have a perfect uniform, and any minor imperfection in your actions will result in harsh punishment? And how it’s kind of the same in culinary school (where your trainer will scream at you how much you suck when you make a mistake), your medical residency, and so on? > > Besides cuisine, military, law enforcement, and medicine, which professions have training that is, for lack of a better choice of words, adversarial? Law enforcement isn’t adversarial. When I went through the police academy, nobody got yelled at for anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/besides-cuisine-military-law-enforcement-medicine-which-professions-have-adversarial-training/802087.md?page=1)