# Best fans in baseball: Cardinals fans/Michael Brown protest **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 7, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681 "2014-10-07T19:47:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/1 "2014-10-07T19:47:15Z")
Protesting for justice for Michael Brown gets little sympathy from Cardinals fans — > **[Deadspin | Cardinals Fans Get Ugly In Clash With Ferguson Protesters](https://deadspin.com/cardinals-fans-get-ugly-in-clash-with-ferguson-proteste-1643282285/)** > > Deadspin | Cardinals Fans Get Ugly In Clash With Ferguson Protesters > [@](#): > > • We start off with a bang. At about the 22-second mark, an old white Cardinals fan begins telling the protesters—all of whom appear to be black—that they need to get jobs. He looks right in the camera, proudly, and says, “That’s right! If they’d be working, we wouldn’t have this problem!” > > … > > • At about 10:25 a small blonde lady starts yelling at the protesters: “We’re the ones who gave all y’all the freedoms that you have!” > > … [http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/10/racist\_fans\_clash\_with\_ferguson\_protesters\_in\_ugly\_display\_at\_cardinals\_game.php](http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/10/racist_fans_clash_with_ferguson_protesters_in_ugly_display_at_cardinals_game.php) > [@](#): > > Hussein added that even after this exchange, when the cameras were turned off, not a single Cardinals fan attempted to “reach across the aisle” so to speak and talk civilly with the protesters. > > “They were completely unapologetic,” he said. A protest during the intermission at a St. Louis symphony performance, in contrast, got done support from the audience and the stage. [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/05/stunned-st-louis-symphony-interrupted-by-protest-song-for-mike-brown-so-how-did-it-go-over/](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/05/stunned-st-louis-symphony-interrupted-by-protest-song-for-mike-brown-so-how-did-it-go-over/) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/2 "2014-10-07T19:52:21Z")
Sounds like two groups of people who are both completely wrong for completely different reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/3 "2014-10-07T19:54:48Z")
I’m not sure I understand the point of the OP. Should baseball fans and concert attendees expect or appreciate protestors disrupting the performances, or at least serve as a distraction? I would be pissed if I paid good money to see a baseball game or concert and have to put up with loud protestors. Note this my opinion has nothing to do with either side of the Ferguson issue. But that seems like a separate topic to me. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/4 "2014-10-07T20:02:22Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I’m not sure I understand the point of the OP. Should baseball fans and concert attendees expect or appreciate protestors disrupting the performances, or at least serve as a distraction? I would be pissed if I paid good money to see a baseball game or concert and have to put up with loud protestors. > > Note this my opinion has nothing to do with either side of the Ferguson issue. But that seems like a separate topic to me. Exactly. I paid money to see an event and you stage a protest? You are going to protest social injustice by disrupting a paid event? You are protesting to ME? Like I have some control over the police or local government? I see this less as an instrument of change and more of narcissists wanting to get news coverage. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/5 "2014-10-07T20:11:22Z")
Disgusting. Let’s go Dodgers. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/6 "2014-10-07T20:12:40Z")
The protesters were on the street. They weren’t interrupting the Cardinals game. They weren’t anywhere near the field of play. And I do think that even people at a paid event should have the decency to treat protesters on a serious issue with respect. And, yes, everyone is responsible for their government. ---
**Author:** ![nani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/58956e/32.png) [@nani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nani)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/7 "2014-10-07T20:19:44Z")
The baseball protest happened outside the stadium. Those protesters weren’t disrupting the event. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/8 "2014-10-07T20:23:00Z")
> [@nani](#): > > The baseball protest happened outside the stadium. Those protesters weren’t disrupting the event. The question remains: What role do they believe the St. Louis Cardinals, their management, or their fans had in the Brown incident? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/9 "2014-10-07T20:24:23Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > And I do think that even people at a paid event should have the decency to treat protesters on a serious issue with respect. And, yes, everyone is responsible for their government. So if the Westboro Baptist Church shows up at the next Cardinals game, are the fans obliged to greet them with good cheer and a stiff upper lip? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/10 "2014-10-07T20:50:48Z")
[Well at least they had a good, spirited debate about the issues.](http://deadspin.com/cardinals-fans-get-ugly-in-clash-with-ferguson-proteste-1643282285) > [@](#): > > The “Let’s go Cardinals!” chant has turned into a “Let’s go Darren!” chant. Cool. > At 8:10 one of the Cardinals fans calls one of the protesters a “crack head” and tells him he needs to go see a dentist. > […] > At about 10:25 a small blonde lady starts yelling at the protesters: “We’re the ones who gave all y’all the freedoms that you have!” > […] > At 16:43, a female Cardinals fan begins chanting “Africa! Africa! Africa!” at the protesters. > At 17:10 a Cardinals fans tells the protesters that they need to remove their hats and pull up their pants. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/11 "2014-10-07T20:55:04Z")
A few racists also happen to be Cardinal fans: News at 11. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/12 "2014-10-07T21:08:39Z")
Did [this guy](http://lwtc247.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/get-a-brain-morans.jpg) show up? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/13 "2014-10-07T21:14:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So if the Westboro Baptist Church shows up at the next Cardinals game, are the fans obliged to greet them with good cheer and a stiff upper lip? No, because the Westboro Baptist Church people are malicious and evil. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/14 "2014-10-07T22:14:37Z")
At 1:10 the crowd is chanting “Who do we want? Darren Wilson! How do we want him? Dead!” Are you sure you want to call that “protesting for justice”? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/15 "2014-10-07T22:22:33Z")
That’s distasteful. Good thing people in the crowd knew the best way to defuse the situation- racist insults! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/16 "2014-10-07T23:57:44Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > A few racists also happen to be Cardinal fans: News at 11. 10, actually. StL is on Central time. ---
**Author:** ![JerrySTL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@JerrySTL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerrySTL)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/17 "2014-10-08T01:37:14Z")
Justice for Michael Brown? Were you there? Do you know what actually happened? So far most of the witness testimony has been sketchy at best. There’s even a possibility that he did get justice. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/18 "2014-10-08T01:41:21Z")
> [@JerrySTL](#): > > Justice for Michael Brown? Were you there? Do you know what actually happened? So far most of the witness testimony has been sketchy at best. There’s even a possibility that he did get justice. That’s not justice. The good news - for you, if this is what you believe - is that the man who killed him will probably never go on trial, so the rumors and innuendos and lies about what happened that day will never be formally challenged. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/19 "2014-10-08T01:44:11Z")
> [@JerrySTL](#): > > Justice for Michael Brown? Were you there? Do you know what actually happened? The fact that we don’t know exactly what happened is an injustice. The fact that the police department withheld the name of the cop in the situation for so long is an injustice. The fact that the Ferguson police avoided ever filing an initial incident report in this case is an injustice. And there are a dozen more injustices before you ever get to the question of whether the shooting was justified. > [@](#): > > So far most of the witness testimony has been sketchy at best. There’s even a possibility that he did get justice. Extrajudicial execution of an unarmed person is never justice. Regardless, it is clear that the government and police force of Ferguson are structurally unjust. And regardless of that, seeking justice for a shooting in this situation means something a lot more than knowing whether the shooting was justified. And further, regardless of that, decent people don’t respond the way that the people did in this video to demands for justice in a questionable shooting situation. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681/20 "2014-10-08T01:56:33Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > No, because the Westboro Baptist Church people are malicious and evil. But it would be a political protest outside a sports venue. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-fans-in-baseball-cardinals-fans-michael-brown-protest/700681.md?page=2)