Best guitarist of all time? Best solo?

I am still struggling with my Hendrix comment. I still believe it, but don’t think I articulated it all that great. Let me try again:

Yes, he is that great. If the explanations in this thread and in other threads don’t suffice but you are genuinely curious, you can do more research on the web, start a new thread on the SDMB or just email me and I will do what I can to offer further articulation (it won’t be much but it might be a start). If, however, you have read all this stuff, and think you “get the point” of the arguments for Hendrix and still think he is overrated - well, obviously, that is your right. But please be aware that most any musician, and certainly pretty much any guitarist, working in the rock and blues genres, is going to disagree with you and say that Hendrix was one of the best and certainly one of the most innovative, if not the best and most innovative. So you really need to decide if you just have your POV and you need to be pretty quiet about it or if maybe there is more there for you to explore or understand - of course, as always, you are welcome to state your POV loudly to anyone within earshot, but don’t expect a lot of guitarists to give you the time of day…

Hi JC (good initials to have for the time of year). Any clues where I can obtain the sheet music (not tab) for Cliffs of Dover?. I’m based in the UK if that makes any difference.

Incidentally, since you picked up on the sundry refs to Hendrix, may I just offer some clarification. IMHO:

  • as a songwriter… okay for the time, but nothing to write home about

  • as a singer… not his strong suit, to put it kindly

  • on the electric guitar… and god walked among us

Just my view.

Not sure if I would vote this guy number one, and I might get some moans and groans about even including him in my list of greats, but GE Smith from the Saturday Night Live Band can indeed play the guitar rather well.

Piss-poor picker, here.

Best guitarist: Hendrix without a doubt.

Best solo: Jeff “Skunk” Baxter on Steely Dan’s “Rikki, Don’t Lose That Number”

Lets not overlook some of the better metal guitarists either…

Randy Rhoads and Zakk Wylde, Kirk Hammet, Dave Mustaine, Al Pitrelli, Marty Freeman… these guys can jam. Or could, in the case of Randy who is now departed…

Opinion of classical guitar player and teacher of going on 25 years now:

Dave Davies
Andres Sergovia
Niccolo Paganini
Sylvius Weiss
Mauro Giuliani
Los Romanos
Napoleon Coste
Francisco Tarrega
Alberto Obregon
Jose Costa
Isaac Albeniz
Gaspar Sanz
Hector Villa-Lobos
Dionysius Aguado
Matteo Carcassi
Fernando Sor
Francis Kleynjans
Luis Ochoa
Antonio Lauro
Leo Brouwer
Chuck Berry
James Burton
Robert Johnson
Tommy Tedesco
Christiaan Taggart
Daniel Graper

(the latter two being, of course, my teachers :D)

Ritchie Blackmore. Something about the way his guitar lines wrap themselves around your brain, slither down your spine then run a finger up the inside of your leg… makes me understand why chicks dig guitar players, no matter how unattractive (I’ve had a crush on The Man in Black since I was seventeen. I’m thirty-six now…)

Best solo? Well, for the “runs a finger up the inside of your leg” effect, I would have to say “The Spanish Archer”, off of the House of Blue Light album. Far from DP’s best album, that song stand out like a diamond on lint-covered black velvet.

Of course, if you’re into setting fire to the fretboard of your Fender Stratocaster from finger friction, gotta go with “Child in Time”.

I’m not even going attempt to say who the best are, but some of my favorites are Dick Dale (king of the surf guitar), Brian Setzer, Frank Zappa, Brian May from Queen, Stevie Ray Vaughan, and of course Jimi Hendrix (although I’m honestly not as into his music these days as I used to be, I definitely realize what an innovator he was). Pat Metheny and John Scofield are excellent jazz guitarists, and nobody can doubt the technical virtuosity of Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, and Eddie Van Halen. Slash is also a favorite, but more of a “guilty pleasure.” He is good on all those overwrought solos, though!

An amazing guitarist who is always overlooked is Steve Morse, who can do the “shredding” style of Satriani and Johnson, knock your socks off with jazz, or sound perfectly at home in the Dixie Dregs, an experimental Southern rock group. I’m guessing WordMan may know him!

Finally, Trey Anastasio from Phish is definitely a fantastic guitarist and terribly underrated. While I’m not a fan of Phish’s “hippie/jam-band scene” at all (and seeing them live in 1996 actually made me less of a fan of them), I think the group is comprised of amazing musicians, and Trey is one of the best there is at what he does. Again, I’m not into them much anymore, but I believe in giving credit where it is due.

I should clarify that I play a little guitar, but I don’t consider myself a guitarist. I am a saxophone player, though, and I’ve played in bands and studied music theory.

I almost forgot… John Frusciante is another solid player, and Chuck Berry is a legend. But if you had to nail me down, Dick Dale and Brian Setzer would be my favorites these days.

What the hell, I’ll play.

I’ve been playing guitar for over 10 years. Prior to that I sang, played keyboards (as apart from piano…it was the 80s), drums and in my distant youth, trumpet.

I’ve played them all onstage and have hung out with musicians both pro and hopeful. While I’m largely out of it now (there’s a hell of a lot more average money to be made in any day job…let’s admit it) I keep my hand it. I currently own a solid body, a half-size hollow body (sort of a jazz style) and a Yamaha acoustic.

I have expressed my feelings on Hendrix out loud and with musicians. I find that who you mention it to determines what the reaction is.

People who lived through the time he was playing and just after: He was God.

People who’s roots are later (as are mine…I’m 36): he was good but no better than X, Y, Z…

I maintain that technique however good isn’t worthwhile except as masturbation if you can’t fit that technique into a song structure. And that’s where Hendrix always breaks down. He had an utter inability to known when and where technique was called for.

My personal God of bass, Geddy Lee, once said something like this “You know, it’s good to have great chops and to be able to play all those notes. But in the end it comes down to feel and knowing where you are and what’s necessary.”

Frankly, of the 60s pantheon I always most admired John Fogerty. There’s a man who knew how to put a song together that did exactly what he wanted it to do…no more…no less.

Of my own generation I find I’m also an apostate of the live noodlings of such bands as Blues Traveller and such. Generally I have a firm faith that EVERY song isn’t an excuse for a 15 minute solo.

I do improvise for my own writing (when I have time to write). Have some basic rhythmic idea and begin noodling around to see what emerges while I’m recording. But when I’m done I listen to the tape to see if anything worth pursuing further is in there. If it is I’ll lift it and try to develop it into a song. Otherwise all that stuff just gets archived or tossed.

I’m surprised no one’s mentioned Mason Williams - thought perhaps he might be in the running for best acoustic solo. And John Williams’ (no relation) performance of “Cavatina” on The Secret Policeman’s Ball is another acoustic gem. Of course, I think Pete Townsend did some amazing work on that album as well, but apparently he doesn’t rate a mention. Since I’m not a guitarist, I’m not sure if that’s an oversight or deliberate. However it is clear, even to me, that Hendrix belongs at the pinnacle. (I like your Picasso analogy, WordMan).

ianzin, you might be interested to know that Hendrix’s work is being reinterpreted and explored by other performers - I think his songwriting skills may have been stronger than you realize. Check out work by Nguyen Le, the Kronos Quartet and Gil Evans. YMMV, of course.

I’d have to go with Steve Morse for a couple of reasons:

#1. He plays every style well. I mean he has recorded with The Dregs(formerly the Dixie Dregs), The Steve Morse Band, Deep Purple, Kansas, Liza Minnelli (?!?!?!), Steve Walsh, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Marcel Dadi, Manuel Barrueco, Liona Boyd and Pavoratti(SP?) to name a few.

#2. He is an amazing technician. I’ve been to a couple of his clinincs and his technique is simply amazing. I’ve seen a whole lot of guitarist live and only two come anywhere Steves technique, Al DiMeola and Roy Clark(#1).

#3. He writes in every style well. From Rock to Classical to Irish folk tunes.

#4. This doesn’t matter all that much but he won Guitar Magazines 'Best Guitarist" award so many years in a row that they finally retired him. He won the award one year after he retired from playing.

#5. He has killer technique but he also has awesome feel. He isn’t afraid to play only a few notes.

#6. He is a hell of a nice guy. I met him a couple times and he is just a sweet guy. He’ll talk to anyone. He doesn’t have any attitude.

As far as best solo goes I don’t really know but would put Randy Rhoads S.A.T.O on the list.

Slee

#1. I saw Roy Clark at the New Mexico State Fair. I heard this amazing guy ripping it up on a steel string and it was Roy Clark. Blew my mind as I had no idea of how good a musician he was at the time. The guy rocks. Seriously.

I have to put an honorable mention in for one of my favorite old timers, Roy Clark.

http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/Roy-Clark.htm

Wow, how’s that for GMTA sleestak?

I made my post before I went back to read all the new posts, including yours. Seems like we agree on Roy. :slight_smile:

The oddest tribute I have heard to any guitarist came from Richard Tognetti, head of the Australian Chamber Orchestra, a noted violinist who scored Master and Commander and taught Russell Crowe violin for the movie. In an interview he was asked what other musicians he listened to and he replied “Well obviously Hendrix for technique…”. I wished the interviewer had questioned him further but he didn’t.

Impossible question. OK what the hell - in no particular order - just rock guys - Just one solo each.

Actually these are what immediately spring to mind I’d have to and research for a proper answer.

For the Love of God - Steve Vai
Comfortably Numb - David* Gilmore
Pretty much any Steely Dan solo
Always with me always with you (I think) Joe Satriani**
Some Hendrix solo with no pentatonic noodling
Watermelon in Easter Hay - Frank Zappa (hey, wow someone else likes Ship Ahoy too!***)

I’m tired after that, going to rest brain.

*not Dave
**or Friends maybe, this is too hard.
***Yes, I have the triple-box set.

Let’s hear it for the classicals! Why is Julian Bream missing from your list, though, Ms Boods?

AFAIK Cavatina (the one composed by Stanley Myers) was used in The Deerhunter, or is this a different Cavatina?

Again - all great entries. BBVLou, as you already know, you and I have similar tastes, at least in terms of guitarists we respect. Steve Morse is pretty much up there.

For me, one criteria I use as part of rating who is great in my mind is how much they crossed over into the mainstream. Why? I think it relates to how much of a cultural impact they had - if your average square tries to drop their name, clearly an act has crossed over.

That is why I didn’t mention Steve Morse - absolutely no crossover. Same thing with my personal fave, Jeff Beck - sure, some average citizens may know enough to be able to answer Rock Trivia Question #27 (i.e., which Brit Invasion band spawned three of rocks greatest guitarists and who were they?), but beyond that he has little or no crossover appeal.

Hendrix, on the other hand, does. His songs are 69’s psychedelia, and are used as touchstones to evoke the era. Show mod London dudes and play Purple Haze or All Along the Watchtower and you have a shorthand code to the late 60’s.

Add to that the absolute groundbreaking innovation of what his playing was. NOBODY fused blues and rock they way he did. His playing was the equivalent of introducing Jackie Robinson to major league baseball in '47 - sure, it was fundamentally groundbreaking from a racial integration standpoint, but I am talking about showmanship - Robinson was the most aggressive basestealer major league baseball had ever seen. He had style - he scared the crap out of staid white pitchers who assumed the runner would steal in a mannered way. Hendrix was the equivalent of Julius Erving (aka Dr. J) in basketball - nobody had his style, his look, his gravity-defying-balletic moves. He knew the fundamentals of the game and was so much better than that that he transcended. Other players had to stop and watch. He single-handedly re-invented the sport - the NBA merged with the ABA basically to bring Dr. J into the NBA.

Hendrix was the same way - nobody in rock had Hendrix’ blues showmanship. Who played behind their back? With their teeth? Walking out into the audience? The first true guitarist showman of the electric era was T-Bone Walker out of Texas, who made his name in Los Angeles. Played doin’ the splits with the guitar behind his back.

Hendrix had fundamental technique, but like Robinson and Erving, was so solid that he transcended fundamentals and blew open a whole new approach to guitar. And he brought an African-American style - what rock player before him was wearing velvet with sashes tied around their thighs?

Okay, Jonathan Chance - you say that later generations of guitarists you talk to say “yeah he is good, but so and so is better”. Frankly, that’s fine, but it says more about the naivete of the speaker. Are there “better” painters than Monet? I am sure they are, but he, along with a number of others, CREATED Impressionism - the CREATING part counts for a whole lot. Is Chuck Berry a good guitarist? Frankly, no - he is constantly out of tune and sloppy as hell - but is he Chuck Berry? Oh, hell yes - he single handedly fused the story-telling songwriting of country with the beat of rockabilly and INVENTED the use of double-stop guitar to replicate the sound of a horn section from Louis Jordan’s jump blues orchestra arrangements. He CREATED rock and roll in terms of the sound vocabulary we know. That matters. One Chuck Berry is exponentially more important than scores of the other guitarists mentioned on this list because he OPENED THE DOOR. Period.

Well, so did Hendrix. In terms of fusing blues and rock. In terms of (along with the Beatles and a few others) expanding the possibilities of what rock lyrics and songs could be about. In terms of bringing a brash, blues-based African American showmanship to staid rock - Hendrix brought risk and fear and brinksmanship to rock in a way no one came close to at the time. Writing right now, two equivalents come to mind - when Elvis first scared the bejeezus out of whitebread America in the ‘50’s, and when Guns n’ Roses reclaimed rock from synthy bands and harmless hair metal in the late '80’s. GnR don’t stand the test of time the way Elvis and Jimi do, but at least they were scary. Oh, also the Sex Pistols - again, they brought back the genuine risky rebellion.

So if the question is just “who has good hands” then players like Morse win hands down, deservedly so. But if you want to include “who opened the door to a new way of thinking - about guitar, about music, about style, about life and its possibilities” then players like Hendrix are the ones that matter.

I hope this helps - again, these lists are just for fun and only help if they result in productive dialogue. I know Hendrix is the “standard answer” one is supposed to give, but y’know, sometimes there is a reason the “standard answer” has become standard. There is a reason Mozart and Beethoven are considered the greatest Classical Composers and Bach the greatest Baroque composer. And Einstein the most influential scientist of the 20th century. If you don’t understand why, it is worth exploring to learn more. Hendrix is that good. You have to understand - I am not even a particularly big fan of his - his stuff was never squarely in my gunsites. But as I played more, I took the time to learn more about him and have come to appreciate why he is where he is - at the top. If you don’t invest the time and recognize that for yourself, you are really missing out.

Thanks for reading.

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I was thinking of him, and also John Dowland, but I think of Julian Bream as a lutenist – I wasn’t sure if they counted on this list, otherwise I would have added a few more like Dowland, Francis Cutting, etc!

Actually, there are a TON of modern classical players that ought to be on my list…one guy who is very interesting is Andrew York, who incorporates many of the same ‘stomp boxes’ and effects that rock guitarists use – I myself have been known to play a few classical bits on my Flying V run through distortion (redundant, I know!) & string bending, and all that, and people in the music shops say, ‘Whoa, like what is that so from?’ It’s fun!

Some people would add Manuel Bareuco, but I have a bit of a personal bias against him, I have to admit…

When I’m back to London I purchase much sheet music from a shop run by Barry Mason, who used to perform solo and also was John Williams’ (the guitarist) partner-in-performance – it’s a wee shop that was founded by Johm William’s dad, Len, back in the 1930s, in fact…

Roy Clark was born and raised in the little town near where I currently live in the Virginia wilderness, and he comes back here every Christmas to play a couple of charity shows – they are outstanding!
And I have to say, Dave Davies again.

Dave Davies again (who has been known to play a bit of ‘rock flamenco’ at his shows that’s a wee bit fab, too).