# Best Performances "Against Type" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 5, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938 "2020-03-05T00:16:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MortSahlFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@MortSahlFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MortSahlFan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/1 "2020-03-05T00:16:59Z")
I’m sure I’ll think of one later, but the first one that comes to my mind would be Robert Mitchum in “Ryan’s Daughter” because he was one of the most virile men in Hollywood and plays a cuckold, and does a good, convincing job. Someone elsewhere mentioned Andy Griffith for “A Face in the Crowd”, but that was his first movie, so he didn’t have a “type” ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/2 "2020-03-05T00:29:10Z")
Eric Laneuville, who played the likeable orderly (and later Physician’s Assistant) Luther Hawkins on _ **St Elsewhere** _, was also a stone-cold killer on _ **Hill Street Blues** _. Aside from Henry Fonda in _ **One Upon a Time in the West** _, I’ve never seen an actor go from playing a good guy to a bad guy so convincingly. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/3 "2020-03-05T00:33:42Z")
There is nothing funny or sympathetic about Robin Williams’ character in Insomnia. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/4 "2020-03-05T00:39:17Z")
One of the reasons that I’ve long liked Brad Pitt as an actor is because he may be renown for his looks but he does not always play the pretty lead, and is in fact good as the quirky weirdo, a la **12 Monkeys** ---
**Author:** ![MortSahlFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@MortSahlFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MortSahlFan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/5 "2020-03-05T00:40:29Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > There is nothing funny or sympathetic about Robin Williams’ character in Insomnia. Yes, and he does play against type with “One-Hour Photo” ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/6 "2020-03-05T00:50:55Z")
The obvious one is Adam Sandler in _Uncut Gems_. I thought he did a good job in he first real non-comedic role. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/7 "2020-03-05T01:05:13Z")
Meryl Streep as an aged rabbi in Angels in America. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/8 "2020-03-05T01:10:16Z")
Fred MacMurray. Most of his early career he played happy-go-lucky romantic leads. Then Billy Wilder cast him in _Double Indemnity_ and he was a hard-nosed insurance agent and film noir killer. MacMurray went back to genial comedies, but Wilder cast him again as Mr. Sheldrake, the smarmy boss having an affair with Shirley MacLaine. These were both completely against type. Evidently MacMurray didn’t like that sort of role and he quickly went back to being a genial good guy. But those two performances are among the most powerful in film. Wilder evidently saw that MacMurray’s type made a great heel. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/9 "2020-03-05T01:13:37Z")
Denzel Washington had been playing virtuous hero leads for a long before the villainous lead in **Training Day**. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/10 "2020-03-05T01:16:30Z")
In _Lost in Space_, Gary Oldman does not play a typical Gary Oldman-style psychopath. He plays Dr. Smith. In several scenes, if you close your eyes, you can visualize Jonathan Harris playing the scene, because Oldman mimics Harris’ vocal mannerisms perfectly. _Mulholland Falls_ is a murder mystery with several actors playing against type. The more stereotypes you have about the actors, the less likely you are to spot the real killer. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/11 "2020-03-05T01:25:16Z")
Eddie Arnold in the first Longest Yard. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/12 "2020-03-05T01:38:12Z")
Humphrey Bogart in _Sabrina_ (1954), playing against type as a (fairly) honest businessman and eventual romantic lead. ---
**Author:** ![Tinker\_Grey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tinker_grey/32/8136_2.png) [@Tinker\_Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tinker_Grey)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/13 "2020-03-05T01:49:32Z")
David Tennant as Kilgrave in Jessica Jones ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/14 "2020-03-05T01:54:18Z")
Tim Allen in _Red Belt_, written & directed by David Mamet. Rather than his usual improv wacky comedy, he was playing a very boring, straight-laced action star, kind of a Kevin Costner/Bruce Willis kind of guy with no sense of humor. It made for a funny bit in the “making of” part of the dvd: Allen: “I’m used to just taking the script and kind of improvising my way through a scene.” Mamet: “If he can improvise better than I can write, I should go home.” ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/15 "2020-03-05T01:59:27Z")
Henry Gibson in [_Nashville_.](https://youtu.be/cNcsGQyPe_U?t=209) ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/16 "2020-03-05T02:11:55Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > One of the reasons that I’ve long liked Brad Pitt as an actor is because he may be renown for his looks but he does not always play the pretty lead, and is in fact good as the quirky weirdo, a la **12 Monkeys** For which he should have won the Oscar. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/17 "2020-03-05T02:27:02Z")
Ted Levine, who went from über-creepy Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs to Monk’s put-upon boss Capt. Leland Stottlemeyer on Monk. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/18 "2020-03-05T03:46:09Z")
In the 1990s, John Ritter starred in a made-for-TV movie about a man who’s going through a divorce that is amicable, until his STBX starts dating a guy who the kids instantly dislike, and he turns out to be an unemployed psycho stalker. The unemployed psycho stalker is played by Henry Winkler - and he was PERFECTLY cast for that role! ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/19 "2020-03-05T03:53:25Z")
> [@MortSahlFan](#): > > I’m sure I’ll think of one later, but the first one that comes to my mind would be Robert Mitchum in “Ryan’s Daughter” because he was one of the most virile men in Hollywood and plays a cuckold, and does a good, convincing job. > > Someone elsewhere mentioned Andy Griffith for “A Face in the Crowd”, but that was his first movie, so he didn’t have a “type” Andy Griffith as a amoral conman in Hawaii 5-0. He and Joyce van Patten were very good. > **["Hawaii Five-O" I'm a Family Crook - Don't Shoot! (TV Episode 1972) ⭐ 8.0 |...](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598072/?ref_=tt_ep_pr)** > > 50m | Not Rated ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938/20 "2020-03-05T05:27:30Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Andy Griffith as a amoral conman in Hawaii 5-0. He and Joyce van Patten were very good. > > ["Hawaii Five-O" I'm a Family Crook - Don't Shoot! (TV Episode 1972) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598072/?ref_=tt_ep_pr) Buddy “Jed Clampett” Ebsen played the mastermind behind a gang of traveler’s check thieves in another episode of _ **Five-O** _. It started out with the cold-blooded murder of the drivers of an armored car. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-performances-against-type/848938.md?page=2)