# Best platonic/unconsummated love affairs **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 14, 2006, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683 "2006-06-14T14:41:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/21 "2006-06-14T16:41:14Z")
[QUOTE=JThunder] Gilligan and the Skipper. [/QUOTE] Whatever you do, don’t read [this](http://spamusement.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2956). Although it’s a poorly drawn cartoon, it may be considered NSFW by some. ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_And\_Candy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b782af/32.png) [@Clockwork\_And\_Candy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clockwork_And_Candy)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/22 "2006-06-14T16:45:13Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] I’m going to say this one more time: FRODO AND SAM WERE NOT IN LOVE!!! Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Sam was in love with Rosie Cotton. RO-SIE COT-TON. [/QUOTE] Well, yes. Sam was lusting after Rosie and prob’ly wnated to do very naughty Hobbit-things to her, but he loved and cared for Frodo deeply too. I didn’t mean it in a homosexual sense. As a companions, they were soul mates. Did you notice the word _platonic_ in the thread title? Uhmm, would Xander and Willow from _Buffy_ count? He was fawning for her quite for sometime. Actually, no I guess they don’t. Meh, I got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/23 "2006-06-14T16:46:52Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid [/QUOTE] Heh, pardon my audible blurp. Richard Burton and Deborah Kerr in _Night of the Iguana_. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/24 "2006-06-14T16:47:35Z")
[QUOTE=Clockwork And Candy] Well, yes. Sam was lusting after Rosie and prob’ly wnated to do very naughty Hobbit-things to her, but he loved and cared for Frodo deeply too. I didn’t mean it in a homosexual sense. As a companions, they were soul mates. Did you notice the word _platonic_ in the thread title? [/quote] Well, of course I noticed the thread title. I’m the OPer. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/25 "2006-06-14T16:49:18Z")
[QUOTE=Clockwork And Candy] Uhmm, would Xander and Willow from _Buffy_ count? [/QUOTE] I would think so. They never really got to get to it, although they certainly tried. But Cordy and Oz burst in at exactly the wrong time. ---
**Author:** ![Ghanima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Ghanima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghanima)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/26 "2006-06-14T16:56:02Z")
Me and Chris P(xxxxxx) when we were in college. Sigh. Oh, you mean like in the movies…I got nothin’. ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_And\_Candy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b782af/32.png) [@Clockwork\_And\_Candy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clockwork_And_Candy)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/27 "2006-06-14T16:58:19Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] Well, of course I noticed the thread title. I’m the OPer. [/QUOTE] Oh, snap. Wow… I’m an idiot of the highest caliber. I’ll just shut up now-- but not before the fanboy in me suggests Remus Lupin and Sirius Black. Their love was fo’ TRUE! ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/28 "2006-06-14T17:06:37Z")
Matilda and Leon from the Professional. And since Ms Coppola has said the Lost in Translation line is unintelligle and ambiguous I call BS on anyone saying they KNOW what was said. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/29 "2006-06-14T17:20:17Z")
Oh this is easy. J.D. and Turk. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/30 "2006-06-14T17:25:53Z")
Ah what the hell: Henry Higgings and Eliza Doolittle in _My Fair Lady_. They totally wanted to get it on. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/31 "2006-06-14T17:29:43Z")
[QUOTE=Mahaloth] Oh this is easy. J.D. and Turk. [/QUOTE] Too bad there isn’t a cash prize, Mahaloth; you’re surely be the winner. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/32 "2006-06-14T17:52:20Z")
But what about Angel and Wesley? I’d say Angel and Spike, but apparently they were intimate, that one time. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/33 "2006-06-14T17:54:43Z")
Batman & Robin Professor & Mary Ann OR Professor & Ginger ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/34 "2006-06-14T18:05:35Z")
[QUOTE=DianaG] But what about Angel and Wesley? I’d say Angel and Spike, but apparently they were intimate, that one time. [/QUOTE] Well, this is getting gayer & gayer–not that there’s anything wrong with that. Angel & Wesley, I don’t see. There was loyalty, sure, but not even as much affection and rapport as Angel had with Doyle, much less Cordelia–and that’s either before or after Wesley kidnapped Connor. And Angel & SPIKE? Please. Even post-ensoulment they could just barely stand one another, at best. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/35 "2006-06-14T18:15:58Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] I’m curious, what have you found? I can only find Sophia saying it’s intentionally ambiguous, and he says whatever you want him to have said. (Please spoiler tag it if you know otherwise!) [/QUOTE] Coppola the younger has said (I believe; it might have been Murray) “that’s a secret between lovers”. But the rumor is that he says: “I would have liked to get to know you better.” I can’t remember now where I first read it, but the rumor’s been going around for some reason. I think there was some talk about it in Answer Man on Ebert’s site, but it’s not loading for me at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Jake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jake)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/36 "2006-06-14T18:38:14Z")
Dorothy and the lion. Or the tin man. (electro-mechanically of course) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/37 "2006-06-14T18:57:12Z")
[QUOTE=Stark Raven Mad] Bob Harris/Charlotte, in _Lost in Translation_. Especially if you look up what he whispers to her in the next-to-last scene, on the Tokyo street. [/QUOTE] He doesn’t whisper anything to her that you can discern; it’s meant to be that way. Murray didn’t even have a line there. There’s no answer to the question of “what did he whisper?” ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/38 "2006-06-14T19:10:27Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] He doesn’t whisper anything to her that you can discern; it’s meant to be that way. Murray didn’t even have a line there. There’s no answer to the question of “what did he whisper?” [/QUOTE] The idea (according to unsubstantiated rumor) is that Murray supplied a line where the script had none, possibly on advice from Coppola. Only two or three people know for sure, but it is not correct to say there is “no answer”. It _is_ correct to say that the answer was deliberately concealed for the sake of the art. Even if Murray whispered nothing, the character certainly did, so again there is _an_ answer, though it is unknown. But I’m hijacking and I haven’t even addressed the OP. NOTE: Stop reading here if you haven’t seen a movie since 1978 and don’t want to be extremely vaguely spoilered. In _Dark City_, John and Emma/Anna might count; they only actually begin a relationship at the film’s end. This is also true in _Strange Days_. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Punkyova](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@The\_Punkyova](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Punkyova)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/39 "2006-06-14T19:21:34Z")
Li Mu Bai and Yu Shu Lien from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. No question. They love each other, they respect each other, they live their lives at a very high moral standard, and he dies telling her he loves her, rather than going to Buddhist heaven. Nothing else comes close. ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683/40 "2006-06-14T19:25:30Z")
I doubt that Sherlock Holmes ever got it on with Irene Adler. I bet Holmes would have been great in bed (although undoubtedly he would have smoked afterwards). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-platonic-unconsummated-love-affairs/360683.md?page=3)