# Best-Sourced Documentary on 9/11 Truth Yet: "September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 26, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704 "2015-02-26T20:42:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/21 "2015-02-26T21:20:09Z")
> [@manfromuncle](#): > > Ok. Geothermal imaging showing hotspots of 2800 F, and higher, the temperature of melted steel. Ready for: that was kerosene and smoldering office junk doing that. [Point refuted a thousand times.](http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html) > [@](#): > > Initial analysis of these data revealed a number of thermal hot spots on September 16 in the region where the buildings collapsed 5 days earlier. Analysis of the data indicates temperatures greater than 800 degrees F. Over 3 dozen hot spots appear in the core zone. By September 23, only 4, or possibly 5, hot spots are apparent, with temperatures cooler than those on September 16. > [USGS Spectroscopy Lab - World Trade Center USGS thermal](http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0405/ofr-01-0405.html) > > Over 800 degrees F is hot, but not nearly hot enough. A more speculative view on the paper suggests maximum temperatures of 1341 degrees F ( [USGS Spectroscopy Lab - World Trade Center USGS environmental assessment](http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html) ), but that’s still well below the “about 2,800° Fahrenheit” we need to get “literally molten steel”… > > To finish, none of these stories prove there was molten (as in liquid) steel at the WTC. There’s no evidence temperatures were hot enough to produce that (whatever the energy source), and some of the stories claiming “molten steel” have built-in implausibilities. There was certainly glowing metal, but this only indicates temperatures within the range of a fire. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/22 "2015-02-26T21:21:36Z")
> [@manfromuncle](#): > > Ok. Geothermal imaging showing hotspots of 2800 F, and higher, the temperature of melted steel. Ready for: that was kerosene and smoldering office junk doing that. Can you cite a reliable source for this? Because you saying it (or your video claiming it) means nothing. I could equally claim that the twin towers were dropped by space chipmunks with exactly the same level of veracity. But let’s say there were temperature hot spots in the rubble higher than 2800 F…what do you think that means, exactly? You do realize that the building was on fire, right? And that there were any number of combustibles in the building, including diesel fuel bunkers for backup generators, various flammable cleaning supplies, flammable office supplies and lot of other things that burned, and leaving aside an entire air plane full of jet fuel, right? Look, we have been through all of this. There is nothing you could be bringing to the table that we haven’t already dealt with in many many threads on this ridiculous subject. But feel free to bring something substantial that you really think is convincing. Don’t just do a drive by ‘Geothermal imaging showing hotspots of 2800 F, and higher, the temperature of melted steel. Ready for: that was kerosene and smoldering office junk doing that’, as that is an assertion without any citation. Put some effort into this. I mean, if we are going to crush yet another 9/11 CT Truther let’s do it right and have some fun! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/23 "2015-02-26T21:27:52Z")
I think he has fled. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/24 "2015-02-26T21:31:19Z")
> [@manfromuncle](#): > > Ok. Geothermal imaging showing hotspots of 2800 F, and higher, the temperature of melted steel. Ready for: that was kerosene and smoldering office junk doing that. What is the source of information for that particular claim? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/25 "2015-02-26T21:33:00Z")
> [@manfromuncle](#): > > The subject of the post is the documentary and its content. Stop watching when you see a claim you can rebut and post it. You can’t. That’s not how things work around here. You don’t open a debate in GD just by posting a link; no one is obliged to click it. You are expected to flesh out the topic in your OP, wherein you can **summarize** the content of the links. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/26 "2015-02-26T21:37:04Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I think he has fled. Or maybe _they_ got to him. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/27 "2015-02-26T21:43:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I think he has fled. Well, if so he’s running true to form for 9/11 Truther types…they all flee, usually after dropping a couple of Must See! video links and maybe making one or two posts vaguely defending their untenable position. Would be interesting to see if the Truther movement is REALLY gaining steam. Some quick Google searches seem to show that it peaked in 2007 but I wonder where it’s really at. The Kennedy and Moon Hoaxer crowd seems to have leveled off, so I expect something like that with the 9/11 CT nutters too at some point. ---
**Author:** ![vd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b19c9b/32.png) [@vd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vd)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/28 "2015-02-26T21:55:20Z")
> [@manfromuncle](#): > > Ok. Geothermal imaging showing hotspots of 2800 F, and higher, the temperature of melted steel. Ready for: that was kerosene and smoldering office junk doing that. So you’re saying it was lava? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/29 "2015-02-26T22:05:11Z")
> [@vd](#): > > So you’re saying it was lava? 😕 I told them they shouldn’t have built the World Trade Center on that ancient Hawaiian burial ground. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/30 "2015-02-26T22:09:03Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I told them they shouldn’t have built the World Trade Center on that ancient Hawaiian burial ground. Well, that solves the question of what _really_ happened to Obama’s birth certificate, but it still doesn’t tell us why he has no alibi for December 7th, 1941. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/31 "2015-02-26T22:10:20Z")
To be fair, the thread title could very well be correct. It might actually _be_ the best-sourced pile of truther hogwash out there. It’s not like that’s a high bar to clear. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/32 "2015-02-26T22:18:32Z")
> [@manfromuncle](#): > > The viral documentary, getting to half a million hits on Youtube alone. All claims based on verifiable sources. > [@manfromuncle](#): > > Ok. Geothermal imaging showing hotspots of 2800 F, and higher, the temperature of melted steel. Ready for: that was kerosene and smoldering office junk doing that. All claims based on verifiable sources? Is this claim of 2800 F hotspots backed up by anything verifiable? By the way, I clicked your first link. The narration started 20 seconds in. Five seconds later, he had said something that I can show to be false. The very first sentence. Not a very good start. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/33 "2015-02-26T22:21:16Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > By the way, I clicked your first link. The narration started 20 seconds in. Five seconds later, he had said something that I can show to be false. The very first sentence. Not a very good start. You sat through _25 seconds_ of that? You courageous son of a bitch. If we ever meet, drinks are on me. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sourced-documentary-on-9-11-truth-yet-september-11-the-new-pearl-harbor/713704/34 "2015-02-26T22:32:43Z")
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