# "Betrayal" nonsense & NOW, Oprah-viewers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2008, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684 "2008-02-07T16:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/21 "2008-02-07T19:37:53Z")
[QUOTE=Oredigger77] My mom told me the other day that she went to vote for Obama but once she got there she had the realization that voting for Clinton was the right thing to do as a woman. Unfortunately idiots who vote on stupid crap are all around us. [/QUOTE] Ask her, “If Ann Coulter was running, would you vote for her because it was the right thing to do as a woman?” ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/22 "2008-02-07T19:44:07Z")
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright] Except that Oprah’s ratings among blacks have steadily dwindled over the years as her ratings among whites have skyrocketed; a lot of African-Americans feel that Oprah has “abandoned” them for white middle-class females, based on her topic lists, guest list, etc. [/quote] If she did “abandon” blacks, then it certainly hasn’t hurt her career-wise. Blackifying herself (I just love the word blackify) would no doubt hurt her financially, so I’m not sure why she would feel the need to do that. ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/23 "2008-02-07T20:19:35Z")
Whoa – let me rephrase. I don’t _want_ to vote for Hillary, but to be completely honest, I will vote for whoever the Dems put up. I’m hoping it’s Obama, though. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/24 "2008-02-07T21:31:34Z")
As a white male, now with John Edwards out of the race I am forced to vote for John McCain. I really, really like what Obama and Clinton have to say but how can I go against my own sex and race? I don’t want to be a traitor. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/25 "2008-02-07T21:34:16Z")
[QUOTE=Hampshire] As a white male, now with John Edwards out of the race I am forced to vote for John McCain. I really, really like what Obama and Clinton have to say but how can I go against my own sex and race? I don’t want to be a traitor. [/QUOTE] Well, what about ME? There IS no 50% Italian, 25% Irish, 20% German, 4% Welsh, 1% Iroquois gay agnostic geek candidate! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/26 "2008-02-07T21:47:26Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Well, what about ME? There IS no 50% Italian, 25% Irish, 20% German, 4% Welsh, 1% Iroquois gay agnostic geek candidate! [/QUOTE] Vote for yourself as a write-in. 50% Italian, 25% Irish, 20% German, 4% Welsh, 1% Iroquois gay agnostic geeks need representation too! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/27 "2008-02-07T21:50:38Z")
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright] Vote for yourself as a write-in. 50% Italian, 25% Irish, 20% German, 4% Welsh, 1% Iroquois gay agnostic geeks need representation too! [/QUOTE] No electability. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/28 "2008-02-07T21:56:23Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] If she did “abandon” blacks, then it certainly hasn’t hurt her career-wise. Blackifying herself (I just love the word blackify) would no doubt hurt her financially, so I’m not sure why she would feel the need to do that. [/QUOTE] Well if I had a net-worth of 1.3 billion I don’t think i’d be too concerned about losing any future monies due to less viewership. Which most likely isn’t going to happen anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/29 "2008-02-07T21:56:30Z")
[QUOTE=Kid\_A] :rolleyes: Man guilt versus white guilt. Which sits more heavily on the conscience of America? [/QUOTE] I guess it’s time to open the annual “Ask the Guilty White Man” thread. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/30 "2008-02-07T21:58:22Z")
[QUOTE=Oredigger77] Unfortunately idiots who vote on stupid crap are all around us. [/QUOTE] Yep. I’ve even heard the “BUT HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN!!!1!” argument. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/31 "2008-02-07T21:58:49Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] Then today, I came across this [article](http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UFRQV01&show_article=1) which talks about how the NY state chapter of NOW flamed Ted Kennedy for his Obama endorsement. [/QUOTE] To see how seriously bad this is, you really should read the statement itself. [http://www.nownys.com/pr\_2008/pr\_011108.html](http://www.nownys.com/pr_2008/pr_011108.html) Excerpts: > [@](#): > > Psychological Gang Bang of Hillary is Proof We Need a Woman President > > \ > > In short, gang raping of women is commonplace in our culture both physically and metaphorically. > > This past week, we witnessed just such a phenomenon involving men who are afraid of a powerful woman. > > \ > > Think about the legacy we’ll leave behind when we support Hillary Clinton for President of the United States. Let’s put a stop to the psychological “gang banging” of women and girls. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/32 "2008-02-07T22:14:04Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] No electability. 😃 [/QUOTE] pfffft. at this point I’d vote for you! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/33 "2008-02-07T22:36:31Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] No electability. 😃 [/QUOTE] **Supervenusfreak** might be able to help with that. Psst! Your speech impediment is acting up again. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/34 "2008-02-07T22:39:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Psychological Gang Bang of Hillary is Proof We Need a Woman President > > \ > > In short, gang raping of women is commonplace in our culture both physically and metaphorically. > > This past week, we witnessed just such a phenomenon involving men who are afraid of a powerful woman. > > \ > > Think about the legacy we’ll leave behind when we support Hillary Clinton for President of the United States. Let’s put a stop to the psychological “gang banging” of women and girls. You know, time was, when you put the name Kennedy and “gang bang” in the same sentence, it _meant something_. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/35 "2008-02-07T22:53:11Z")
It still does. Near as I can tell, “Kennedy” isn’t mentioned at all in your above quote. In fact, his name isn’t mentioned in the entire screed. Kerry, OTOH… I know, it ruins the joke. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/36 "2008-02-07T23:06:08Z")
I guess I could remotely see the point of this, if Hillary had ever suggested that she would do anything for women that Obama wouldn’t (aside from simply being a female president). You could argue that just having a female president would provide a role model and break the glass ceiling, etc. But wouldn’t that send the message that if you want power as a woman, you have to be pro-war, corporation-friendly, stick slavishly by your philandering husband to advance your political career, and sell out many of your liberal ideals? I don’t think that message is helpful nor true. I’d rather see Murphy Brown as the female candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/37 "2008-02-07T23:58:26Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Well, what about ME? There IS no 50% Italian, 25% Irish, 20% German, 4% Welsh, 1% Iroquois gay agnostic geek candidate! [/QUOTE] You think you’ve got it bad, but I’m a total fucking asshole, and with Rudy out, I don’t know _what_ I’m going to do. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/38 "2008-02-07T23:59:03Z")
I’m in general agreement with you YWTF, but I have to point out some cognitive dissonance between what you’ve posted here and what you’ve posted elsewhere. In this thread you say: [QUOTE=you with the face] Hmmm, okay. Let’s skip over the possibility that Oprah is supporting BO because she likes what he has to say, thinks he is the best _person_ for the job, and hails from her city. [/QUOTE] But then [over here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9448979#post9448979) you say: > [@you with the face](#): > > The reason why many whites support Obama, I suspect, is because they are eager to see a likable black guy in a big position. Call it white liberal guilt, call it the desire to see a member of a stigmatized minority shine, or call it watermelon sassafras, it doesn’t matter. Whatever we call it, I think this pressure explains why white support for Obama and Clinton is about neck and neck. So could you concede that maybe, just _maybe_, the white folks you’re talking about support Obama because they _like what he has to say and think he’s the best person for the job_? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/39 "2008-02-08T03:16:34Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] So could you concede that maybe, just _maybe_, the white folks you’re talking about support Obama because they _like what he has to say and think he’s the best person for the job_? 😛 [/QUOTE] There’s no cognitive dissonance going on, my dear **spoke**. I said _many_ whites, not all. _Many_ blacks support Obama just because he’s black. But not all. And _many_ white women support Hillary just because she’s a (white) woman. But not all. That aside, I see a big difference between making statements about the motivations of one individual when they vote and making similar statements about group tendencies. The latter is less problematic than the former. Who the hell knows why Oprah backs Obama? For all I know, it could be because she wants a cabinent position or some fairytale daydream like that. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684/40 "2008-02-08T04:55:57Z")
I think I actually would vote for Obama based on the fact that he is black. I haven’t done proper research about all of the issues, and where each candidate stands on each issue, and I am not going to vote at all. But I could see myself deciding that if both candidates are good candidates, and they both by and large support issues that are important to me (pro-choice), then I could see me making the decision that I would like to see what having a black president would do for changing certain perceptions in this society more than I would like to see what having the first female president would. But lawd knows I speak only for my humble self, and no other black person that I know. Also, love Oprah. I don’t watch the show, but love her still. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/betrayal-nonsense-now-oprah-viewers/436684.md?page=3)