# Better Call Saul: 1.09 Pimento **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 31, 2015, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395 "2015-03-31T03:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/221 "2015-04-04T17:54:36Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Doesn’t Saul at least mention in passing having an ex-wife? He makes a quip involving an exwife but it could just be a smart ass remark. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/222 "2015-04-04T17:56:18Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Doesn’t Saul at least mention in passing having an ex-wife? > [@hajario](#): > > He makes a quip involving an exwife but it could just be a smart ass remark. Two ex-wives IIRC, or at least the mention of a ‘second ex-wife’ and I’m willing to bet that’s going to play into BCS somehow. I only say that because it was used as an example on the podcast when talking about all the throwaway lines that Saul had on BB that suddenly became canon. Vince even said they don’t have to stick to every.single.one, but they said they’re going to do their best to do it. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/223 "2015-04-04T19:29:20Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > And again I need to say it: I rewatched Breaking Bad in its entirety over the last couple of months, and there is no scene where Saul interacts with the neo-Nazis. Now, Saul would have known about them, very likely, and vice versa, but there is no reason to believe that the neo-Nazis would be after Saul. > > If you can find a scene in Breaking Bad that shows why they’d be after him, go ahead and remind me of it. Not your assumption, something in the actual show. And all I’m saying is that he fears them. They’re a gang, and a particularly thuggish one at that, they’d only need to associate him with WW, and he’d be a target. Probably no-one alive in the Nazi gang can piece that together, but Saul’s far from sure about that. > [@Shakester](#): > > The guy in that scene had nothing to connect him to the neo-Nazis, he just looked like a regular guy. Short hair, nylon jacket. _Could_ possibly be a neo-Nazi, but there is nothing about him to make that any more likely than that he’s just some guy. That doesn’t look like just a nylon jacket, that’s a variety of bomber jacket. I’ve never known anyone my age or younger who wore one that I didn’t consider a Neo-Nazi. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/224 "2015-04-04T19:29:24Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Definitely something bad happens with Kim. I’ve been expecting her to betray Jimmy from the first time she appeared. Agreed on the first part, but I’m thinking more along the lines of Jimmy doing something (maybe inadvertently) that drives her away from him permanently. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/225 "2015-04-04T21:22:07Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Agreed on the first part, but I’m thinking more along the lines of Jimmy doing something (maybe inadvertently) that drives her away from him permanently. Certainly. It seems to me you don’t introduce a character like Kim, who inexplicably dates considerably beneath her potential, unless she’s going to hurt our hero. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/226 "2015-04-04T21:32:25Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > who inexplicably dates considerably beneath her potential [Jessica Rabbit] He makes me laugh. [/Jessica Rabbit] ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/227 "2015-04-04T23:32:05Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > [Jessica Rabbit] He makes me laugh. [/Jessica Rabbit] Yes indeed …as when he was giving her a pedicure, telling her about the talking toilet – ‘Give it to me, Chandler. I want it all!’ – and doing a little schtick about a piece of corn, making her laugh …had the makin’s of some serious foreplay …alas, interrupted by a phone call. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/228 "2015-04-05T01:08:15Z")
I’ve not seen\* Breaking Bad\*, but Saul seemed very worried about a guy who did not at all look like a policeman. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/229 "2015-04-05T14:40:44Z")
Now we know how evil Chuck is, this leads me to some very dark speculation about the Kim/Jimmy backstory. Suppose back when Kim and Jimmy were a couple and Jimmy now has his law degree, Jimmy’s law business was really taking off. Maybe he even outdid Chuck in something. Chuck starts to ruin Jimmy’s life. Perhaps he tells Kim about Slippin’ Jimmy and other things. Breaks them up, etc.☹ And with Chuck’s condition, Jimmy has had to put his own needs on hold to help out Chuck. It would be interesting if we start to see Howard Hamlin in a different light. Some poor guy stuck in the middle of a family feud just trying to hold a law firm together. Maybe Chuck has something on Hamlin other than partner leverage, forcing Hamlin to do his bidding. I do hope that the Jimmy/Mike storylines interconnect more. But apparently not anytime soon with Jimmy hanging out with his Chicago buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/230 "2015-04-05T14:48:30Z")
Evil? That’s a bit hyperbolic. It’s clear to me he doesn’t want to destroy Jimmy. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/231 "2015-04-05T20:04:30Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Agreed on the first part, but I’m thinking more along the lines of Jimmy doing something (maybe inadvertently) that drives her away from him permanently. Or: Jimmy doing something (maybe inadvertently) that gets her killed. > [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > Certainly. It seems to me you don’t introduce a character like Kim, who inexplicably dates considerably beneath her potential, unless she’s going to hurt our hero. Could be, but don’t betrayals hurt more when the betrayer is someone who, in some sense, “owes” you loyalty and/or love? (As with Chuck–as a brother, he owes Jimmy a degree of support and faith that he fails to give.) Kim being above Jimmy in status makes her someone who does NOT owe him. (Instead, he owes her.) So my guess is that she will be lost to him through being taken away against her will (probably by being killed), rather than being lost to him through becoming his betrayer. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/232 "2015-04-06T00:54:22Z")
I can’t find the post but someone mentioned they cut a 6 minute bit from what back when Saul was 9 or 10…I will hazard the guess that its 6 minutes that shows Chuck putting the Slippin in Slippin Jimmy. He convinces a young Jimmy to pull some sort of scam. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/233 "2015-04-06T01:07:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’ve not seen\* Breaking Bad\*, but Saul seemed very worried about a guy who did not at all look like a policeman. > :dubious: I remember the scene but I don’t remember what the guy looked like enough to be able to argue it with the people upthread. Either way, that’s one of the few scenes that it would have helped to know the backstory. But you didn’t really miss much, what with all the time jumps and the fact that in the 8 (9?) episodes so far, they’ve spent almost no time exploring that end of things (post Breaking Bad). The Better Call Saul commercials were that are played ad the intro are made pre Breaking Bad (or during BB), but it’s supposed to be him watching them post Breaking Bad, that’s about it. So far, IMO, they’ve kept their promise that this show will stand alone and, again IMO, anything in BCS that relates to BB is more of an Easter Egg or something that just fills in some details in BB. I do assume people that have no working knowledge of BB might wonder why the show started with him in a Cinnabon with a different name…a different name then the other two he’s currently using. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/234 "2015-04-06T01:34:55Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > I can’t find the post but someone mentioned they cut a 6 minute bit from what back when Saul was 9 or 10…I will hazard the guess that its 6 minutes that shows Chuck putting the Slippin in Slippin Jimmy. He convinces a young Jimmy to pull some sort of scam. It may end up as an extra on the DVD or we will see it at some time in the future. > [@Joey\_P](#): > > I do assume people that have no working knowledge of BB might wonder why the show started with him in a Cinnabon with a different name…a different name then the other two he’s currently using. Almost all of them will know the basics which is that he had change his identity and that this show takes place years before. Even if they don’t, the show does indeed stand on its own. BCS has hugely exceeded my expectations and from what we have seen so far could end up being just as good as BB. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/235 "2015-04-06T01:45:14Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > It may end up as an extra on the DVD or we will see it at some time in the future. On the podcast they said it won’t be part of the DVD extras. As of right now they intend to try to work it into another episode. > [@](#): > > BCS has hugely exceeded my expectations and from what we have seen so far could end up being just as good as BB. Mine too, and it keeps getting better every single week. Breaking Bad was amazing, but this show is getting better faster than BB did. That is, when this show is over, I don’t think we’re going to see threads every few months with people saying they just watched the first season/first 3 episodes/first half season etc and they want to know if it’s going to get better. As for the show, when I first heard it pitched, I heard that it was going to be about all the wacky clients in Saul’s waiting room and the going’s on in his office. I mean, we may get there, but I really thought it was going to be more of a sitcom. This was a big surprise for me. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/236 "2015-04-06T02:06:51Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > As for the show, when I first heard it pitched, I heard that it was going to be about all the wacky clients in Saul’s waiting room and the going’s on in his office. I mean, we may get there, but I really thought it was going to be more of a sitcom. This was a big surprise for me. I heard the same thing which was the reason for my low expectations. In fact, I had like six episodes sitting on my DVR before I bothered to watch the first one. I am so glad that they went in the direction that they did and that they decided on a slow burn. We might not see Saul for a couple of years and that’s fine by me. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/237 "2015-04-06T02:14:21Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > As for the show, when I first heard it pitched, I heard that it was going to be about all the wacky clients in Saul’s waiting room and the going’s on in his office. I mean, we may get there, but I really thought it was going to be more of a sitcom. This was a big surprise for me. Yep. Gilligan mentioned in one of the podcasts that the original idea was a half hour comedy. Thank god he came to his senses. ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/238 "2015-04-06T03:57:54Z")
I, too, don’t think Chuck is evil. Jimmy has been a screw-up/con artist most of his adult life. He gets a questionable law degree and now wants to work at Chucks firm. It’s no surprise that Chuck would be uncomfortable, especially with other partners to answer to. I’ve been in a somewhat similar “hiring” position, and had friends with spotty work ethics want a job, and it is a very uncomfortable position. Chuck want’s Jimmy to do well as a lawyer, just not at his firm. And I agree this show has exceeded my expectations. Well drawn characters, interesting believable plot lines. I’m gonna be jonesin’ for a year till season 2. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/239 "2015-04-06T13:23:49Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Based on what we’ve discussed in this thread about how Chuck’s illness gets better and worse with Jimmy’s behavior and the fact that (as far as I can recall) Jimmy never mentioned Chuck in BB, I’m going to guess that as Jimmy turns into Saul and goes from ‘kinda scammy’ to full blown _criminal_ lawyer, Chuck’s illness will cause him to kill himself. > I have some other ideas on why there’s no Chuck in BB, but that’s the one I’ll lock myself into, for now. The only wiggle room I’ll give maybe all or part of the reason for Chuck offing himself is because of guilt over what he did to Jimmy or Jimmy abandoning himself and starting his own life. Either way I’m thinking that his mental illness will cause him to take his own life and Jimmy will play into it. I would be very surprised if that happened. Chuck sees Jimmy as “Slippin Jimmy”, so I would think it wouldn’t be a huge surprise to Chuck if Jimmy became a full _criminal_ lawyer. I think Chuck would be upset and maybe cut him off and never speak to him again, but not kill himself. If Chuck does die, I would guess it’d be much more likely to be by accident from using one of the lanterns and burning inside of his house or something like that. Or murdered by someone associated with a shady client Jimmy gets. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395/240 "2015-04-06T14:33:47Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I would be very surprised if that happened. Chuck sees Jimmy as “Slippin Jimmy”, so I would think it wouldn’t be a huge surprise to Chuck if Jimmy became a full _criminal_ lawyer. I think Chuck would be upset and maybe cut him off and never speak to him again, but not kill himself. > > If Chuck does die, I would guess it’d be much more likely to be by accident from using one of the lanterns and burning inside of his house or something like that. Or murdered by someone associated with a shady client Jimmy gets. One of the brothers cutting off the other one seems to be the way they’re heading. I could also see the lanterns killing Chuck (fire, CO). Chuck killing himself is just a guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-1-09-pimento/716395.md?page=13)