# Better Call Saul 2.02 "Cobbler" 2/22/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 22, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804 "2016-02-22T15:34:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Drummond\_Bays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8edcca/32.png) [@Drummond\_Bays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drummond_Bays)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/41 "2016-02-24T06:44:21Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Heh, the first time i saw that episode I didn’t recognize him, either. But I did a pre-2nd season rewatch and his face and mannerisms just clicked and I instantly recognized him completely spontaneously, then just about died laughing. Rockstar does that with their characters often, they tend to be greatly influenced by their voice actor’s appearance and general demeanour. I’ve always thought it to be an amazing touch! As for Saul there was a somewhat lenghty shot of him sitting in his new office, I chuckled to myself when I noticed the mystery lightswitch just to the left of his head. I like small stuff like that!😃 ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/42 "2016-02-24T08:03:17Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > It’s not clear at this point what Jimmy did with the video. I’m betting that he wouldn’t give it to the police, but have Pryce hide it in the wall for the police to take while serving a search warrant. Jimmy showed it to the police. When Kim says “I can’t believe they fell for that” Jimmy replies with “The video is what really sold it.” That’s when Kim goes into the fabricated evidence spiel. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/43 "2016-02-24T09:16:12Z")
I just caught up with my Monday night viewing and spotted this bit of trivia. One of the cast of _Better Call Saul_ has an Oscar nomination as does one of the cast of another show on Monday night. There is an unusual element to their nominations. What is it? And if you can’t be bothered looking: Annette O’Toole had a significant part in episode 2 of _11.22.63_ She is married to Michael McKean and they were nominated for the Academy Award for Best Song in the film\* A Mighty Wind\* . ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/44 "2016-02-24T11:13:28Z")
> [@Drummond\_Bays](#): > > Rockstar does that with their characters often, they tend to be greatly influenced by their voice actor’s appearance and general demeanour. I’ve always thought it to be an amazing touch! > > As for Saul there was a somewhat lenghty shot of him sitting in his new office, I chuckled to myself when I noticed the mystery lightswitch just to the left of his head. > > I like small stuff like that!😃 Rockstar’s characters don’t _just_ often tend to be greatly influenced by the [del]voice[/del] actor’s appearance and demeanor. They use motion capture not only for their body movements, but they have a system that uses a video camera to read the actor’s face and automatically translate their actual facial movements onto the computer animation. Those are real actors doing real performances under conditions that most “real” actors probably couldn’t imagine. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/45 "2016-02-24T11:27:42Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Jimmy’s brother is a dick. My guess is that Chuck gets wind of Jimmy’s dalliances with the dark side and blows up his new job. But it’s almost so obvious, I bet I’m off somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/46 "2016-02-24T13:12:46Z")
Just gotta say, can’t recall the last time my wife and I laughed so hard at a TV show. I admit, I didn’t catch what was in the boxes when he got out of the car. My wife did - and I thought she was going to shit herself. Damn, that was funny. “Are you guys cops? Aren’t I speaking English? Maybe it’s like Hellman’s mayonnaise…” I sure hope they don’t use some wrinkle of this incident having significant future implications, as what causes Jimmy problems down the line. Instead, I imagine it as the first in a long line of increasingly not-fully legal/ethical actions. They could have written it cleaner, but it wouldn’t have been so hilarious. And when they want to continue his downfall, I’d prefer it not being done so broadly for laughs. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/47 "2016-02-24T13:27:56Z")
Speaking of that, what _is_ the other name of Hellman’s Mayo? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/48 "2016-02-24T13:33:17Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Speaking of that, what _is_ the other name of Hellman’s Mayo? Best Foods Mayonnaise ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/49 "2016-02-24T15:04:14Z")
Great episode. I liked seeing Nacho’s background, and that he has a legit job working for his honest father. I’m guessing we won’t see the nerdy drug guy again, but this is the start of Mike and Nacho working more together. > [@voltaire](#): > > My guess is that Chuck gets wind of Jimmy’s dalliances with the dark side and blows up his new job. But it’s almost so obvious, I bet I’m off somehow. Really, Chuck doesn’t have to do anything. From all appearances, nothing Chuck did this episode was dickish. He had the right to be at the meeting, and he disrupted it since everyone had to turn in their cell phones, but he didn’t try to put Jimmy on the spot. But it still ruffled Jimmy, and then he was open to Mike’s call afterward. If Mike had called before that meeting, Jimmy might have taken it, but he might not have. All Chuck has to do is be a reminder, and Jimmy will play too fast and loose with the rules on his own and things could blow up for him. > [@Joey\_P](#): > > Only because they assume something bigger is going on. It’s not illegal to have a hiding spot in your house. Honestly, I figured that Jimmy was just going to say something like “Pryce’s ex-girlfriend was a bit of a nosy Nancy so he kept a few things in there that he didn’t want her to find…” and go down that route. > > The other way I saw it going was to not mention it and wait for them to bring it up, when they did, he could accuse them of searching the house without a warrant\*, but, as I said before, that seems like a Saul thing to do and I don’t think Jimmy is there yet. > \*I understand he invited the officers into the house. If they went in that direction, that scene would probably have to be written differently. Also, I don’t know how it works WRT the officers pulling the couch away from the wall and removing part of the baseboard. That might be going overboard when the homeowner/victim/“victim” thinks they’re just standing there. There’s definitely still some of the old-timey conman patter that Jimmy has going on. The pie-sitting story is clever because it’s not something the cops would want to investigate too much, but it’s also just more fun for Jimmy to tell. I think you’re right though that pulling the couch away from the wall and removing the baseboard counts as going too far, but they didn’t find any evidence in the hidey hole, just the existence of a hidey hole. If they had found drugs or drug residue and arrested the guy, I think that arrest might be overturned, but since all it led to was suspicion, there’s no reason to not question him more. > [@btcg](#): > > Jimmy’s real error? > > Not having Pryce write out the ‘cobbler’ story on a yellow legal pad and sign it. > > Would have rendered Jimmy bullet-proof if Pryce broke-down later under interrogation; total deniability for Jimmy if he does this. > > Major mistake. I’m not a lawyer, but how would that have protected Jimmy in any way? If Pryce broke down later under interrogation, and said he had been selling drugs, and his lawyer made up the crazy story about the videos and made him make one for proof, then having the story written out on a legal pad and signed wouldn’t give Jimmy any cover. > [@EllisDee](#): > > Jimmy showed it to the police. When Kim says “I can’t believe they fell for that” Jimmy replies with “The video is what really sold it.” That’s when Kim goes into the fabricated evidence spiel. It’s funny, because I don’t think the video was strictly necessary. It didn’t seem like they had any evidence tying the guy to anything, he just looked really suspicious with his car and job and hidden compartment in his house. But Jimmy’s story was pretty convincing, and a lot of his other behavior could be explained that he’s an IT guy and you know how weird those computer nerds can be. Jimmy made the video to really shore up the defense, but also because he still enjoys the conman life to some degree, and thinks it’s fun pulling the wool over people’s eyes. I thought that was interesting. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/50 "2016-02-24T15:11:00Z")
Jimmy told the police “there’s a costume involved”. I want to know what the costume is! They couldn’t give us a clue? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/51 "2016-02-24T15:21:53Z")
So was the “squat cobbler” video that Pryce was forced to make a deliberate punishment for his stupidity (and for not hiring Mike) or was that just a nice side effect? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/52 "2016-02-24T15:24:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So was the “squat cobbler” video that Pryce was forced to make a deliberate punishment for his stupidity (and for not hiring Mike) or was that just a nice side effect? I’m pretty sure that Jimmy wasn’t thinking in terms of punishment. He just wanted to make sure that the police didn’t investigate any further. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/53 "2016-02-24T15:35:56Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Jimmy made the video to really shore up the defense, but also because he still enjoys the conman life to some degree, and thinks it’s fun pulling the wool over people’s eyes. I thought that was interesting. And there’s the double-con, where he comes up with a story specifically designed to humiliate the IT guy. It’s not that Jimmy gets any money out of this, but he does get to make the fool wallow in his foolishness. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/54 "2016-02-24T15:36:15Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Really, Chuck doesn’t have to do anything. From all appearances, nothing Chuck did this episode was dickish. He had the right to be at the meeting Chuck can show up any time he wants, his name is on the building, but of all the days to show up, he picks the one day he knows Jimmy is going to be there. He was clearly annoyed when he found out Jimmy got a job as a real lawyer and made it obvious that he felt it was undeserved. He might not have done anything that day, but I’m sure he will. He’s not there to mend fences. > [@](#): > > I think you’re right though that pulling the couch away from the wall and removing the baseboard counts as going too far, but they didn’t find any evidence in the hidey hole, just the existence of a hidey hole. Not that they’re going this way, but if you pull my couch away from the wall, almost that exact same piece of baseboard will pop right off. It’s where I ran some speaker wire, but since I pushed the couch back and don’t own a nail gun, I never fastened it back on. No one will ever know. That’s just to say, like you did, a hole in the wall, in and of itself is meaningless. Come to think of it, an even better way to get out of this would have been for someone (Jimmy/Pryce) to say ‘he had baseball cards in there, he was checking to see if they were gone or not’. I think that would have nicely explained it. Yes, I know there’s still the car, but at least we could have checked ‘hidey hole’ off the list of things that need explaining. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/55 "2016-02-24T15:41:11Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > And there’s the double-con, where he comes up with a story specifically designed to humiliate the IT guy. It’s not that Jimmy gets any money out of this, but he does get to make the fool wallow in his foolishness. It’s possible he was paid, either by Pryce or out of Mike’s $10k. Also, I’m not sure that he went in planning to tell that story or just assumed he could get in and out but the cops kept backing him into a corner and he needed a way to get them to stop badgering him and this was the best he could do. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/56 "2016-02-24T15:46:38Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Chuck can show up any time he wants, his name is on the building, but of all the days to show up, he picks the one day he knows Jimmy is going to be there. He was clearly annoyed when he found out Jimmy got a job as a real lawyer and made it obvious that he felt it was undeserved. He might not have done anything that day, but I’m sure he will. He’s not there to mend fences. Oh certainly he’s not there to mend fences. And he might keep tabs on what Jimmy is up to, and alert his boss or whoever else might be bothered by his side activities. But Chuck might not need to, because just seeing Chuck bothers Jimmy a huge amount. Seeing Chuck reminded him of how honest and hard-working he tried to be, and how it didn’t get him anywhere, and so then Jimmy rebelled by doing the pro bono work and making up the crazy story and faking evidence. His stories might get crazier and his flexibility might bend even more, and things could blow up without Chuck doing anything. But Michael McKean is on the opening credits, I’m sure Chuck will have things to do, and will probably try to undermine Jimmy. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/57 "2016-02-24T18:39:33Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Has anyone checked out K-Strass the Yo-Yo Guy? > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9VF7LyffU&ebc=ANyPxKpdvLxqV3B9vCg4zbOsdR1vaXJIbG3pNULrrmpZoOKrrxRXR3pw-TPSAT56XdczleKpCzRaS3SE82AfgUvx-7U-6Hicuw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9VF7LyffU&ebc=ANyPxKpdvLxqV3B9vCg4zbOsdR1vaXJIbG3pNULrrmpZoOKrrxRXR3pw-TPSAT56XdczleKpCzRaS3SE82AfgUvx-7U-6Hicuw) Brain fart! He’s a natural comedian without even realizing how funny he is. And with issues, like the cellphone going off during the TV interview and the continual yoyo fumblings. Still, something loveable about the guy. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/58 "2016-02-24T18:44:03Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Brain fart! He’s a natural comedian without even realizing how funny he is. And with issues, like the cellphone going off during the TV interview and the continual yoyo fumblings. Still, something loveable about the guy. I could be wrong, but I think all of those issues are intentional. It’s his Shtick, like a comedy “magician” whose tricks all go wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/59 "2016-02-24T18:47:52Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Which may not have stopped the investigation. > > If they had simply refused to say anything further and walked out, the next step for the police may have been to go to Pryce’s employer and ask them to take an inventory of their controlled substances. > > Jimmy had to give them an explanation. It had to explain how Pryce could afford the Hummer; thus the wealthy patron. And it had to be embarrassing - to explain the evasiveness - without possibly running afoul of some obscure pornography laws; thus the weird fetish. It also weirded out the cops enough that they may actually have felt uncomfortable going any further. Imagine the ribbing around the station. “You guys are really into this squat cobbler thing!” > > My question is this: Is there going to be a Youtube video? Good question. There is an actual full video online of Gale Bettiker doing the Major Tom song karaoke, for example, and an actual Walter White page where you can actually donate to cancer research. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/wugY6HNLOCo/hqdefault.jpg "Gale whole song from Breaking Bad") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wugY6HNLOCo) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/60 "2016-02-24T18:49:53Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Not that they’re going this way, but if you pull my couch away from the wall, almost that exact same piece of baseboard will pop right off. It’s where I ran some speaker wire, but since I pushed the couch back and don’t own a nail gun, I never fastened it back on. No one will ever know. That’s just to say, like you did, a hole in the wall, in and of itself is meaningless… > … but at least we could have checked ‘hidey hole’ off the list of things that need explaining. What was meaningful (and suspicious) about the hidey hole was not its existence, but instead _the cleared space in front of the couch_. The cops could see that IT guy had checked the hole and then put the couch back. And they knew he had both stated that his cards were kept somewhere else, and failed to mention the hole. So that was what needed explaining. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804.md?page=4)